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What's wrong with "block after block of single family homes"? Some of those bungalows in Chicago are on 25 foot wide lots. That's hardly "suburban" in character, by most anyone's definition.
I'm not arguing any of the above; my main argument is if it's in the city limits, it's the city. Period. That definition has its limitations, but it's simple and easy to implement. You're entitiled to your opinion, but you are not required to post on here.
No worries, yes this is suburban to me. I don't care if it is in Chicago city limits. Most anyone I don't care about, but most people from major older cities would call it suburban. Suburban doesn't mean it is a "subdivision." And many of these areas *were* suburbs, until annexed by the city. Later developments around the country especially the sunbelt was modeled after this "Suburban" style. I am totally fine calling it something else, I care less about the names, but to say there isn't a different in the first pic in the second..well, not sure what to say to that.
Most people talk about there being two different Chicagos... the Northside, and the Southside... to me, the two different Chicago's are the Chicago within a few miles of of the lake running north and south, and then much of the rest of the city. I'd rather be in Evanston (an actual suburb) than areas like the first picture.
Evanston... http://goo.gl/maps/wXq7D
No worries, yes this is suburban to me. I don't care if it is in Chicago city limits. Most anyone I don't care about, but most people from major older cities would call it suburban. Suburban doesn't mean it is a "subdivision." And many of these areas *were* suburbs, until annexed by the city. Later developments around the country especially the sunbelt was modeled after this "Suburban" style. I am totally fine calling it something else, I care less about the names, but to say there isn't a different in the first pic in the second..well, not sure what to say to that.
Most people talk about there being two different Chicagos... the Northside, and the Southside... to me, the two different Chicago's are the Chicago within a few miles of of the lake running north and south, and then much of the rest of the city. I'd rather be in Evanston (an actual suburb) than areas like the first picture.
Evanston... http://goo.gl/maps/wXq7D
Just a few blocks away from your example from Evanston, there is this: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=evans...,,0,17.35&z=15
which is a lot more "suburban" than any of the examples you posted from within the city of Chicago.
I'm not arguing any of the above; my main argument is if it's in the city limits, it's the city. Period. That definition has its limitations, but it's simple and easy to implement. You're entitiled to your opinion, but you are not required to post on here.
You're switching words. Obviously a place in a city limits it's in the city, the question is whether a place is urban.
Just a few blocks away from your example from Evanston, there is this: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=evans...,,0,17.35&z=15
which is a lot more "suburban" than any of the examples you posted from within the city of Chicago.
While this is true, have you explored Evanston much? They have a pretty good downtown core that is cohesive, has multiple El and Metra stops and not setup like a 4 res block 1 boulevard "commercial" street usually filled with auto shops type setup. There is a pretty good size walkable core with lots of pedestrian activity and good amenities.
Urban is sort of euphimism for "minority", which usually means black (pc term: african american) &/or latino, but more black, I think. As in "urban radio", 'Urban League", etc.
I should have said it differently. Outside the city limits is "suburban". Inside city limits is "urban".
Ok, though if that's what you're going to use it would be clearer just to say "in city" or "out of city limits". The census, btw, as I posted earlier does not used that definition.
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Note I asked if it were urban not "in the city" (I mentioned later that that particular home was within city limit). I didn't use them to mean the same thing. And they're not according to the census. The census definition of urban ignores political boundaries.
Urban vs. rural is assigned at the Census Block level. Census blocks are the smallest geographic units that the Census Bureau recognizes in its geographic scheme. All other geographic areas used in census products can be defined as a collection of (usually, but not always, contiguous) census blocks. Any other kind of geographic area -- a city, county, school district, ZIP code, etc. -- will not necessarily be classified as completely urban or rural. For example, Jackson county, Mo is the core county of the Kansas City metropolitan area and would seem to be obviously an "urban county". But according to the 2000 census there were over 26,000 persons (4%) in Jackson county who were living in census blocks classified as rural. Even within the city limits of Kansas City, Mo 1.3% of the population was classified as living in a rural setting. If you look at the breakout based on land area instead of population you find that 43.3% of the land area of the city of Kansas City is classified as rural!
Suburban is not defined by the US census, but logically following the above definition sub-urban sounds like an in between. Perhaps signifies the part the urban defined by the US census more similar (lower) density to rural or just on the outer edge, in a relative sense. Yes, that's arguable, but urban clearly does not connect with city limits.
Ok, though if that's what you're going to use it would be clearer just to say "in city" or "out of city limits". The census, btw, as I posted earlier does not used that definition.
Yeah, I don't quite get that about the CB. I've known of a people to farm inside the city limits of small cities, but I don't think that's happening in KC.
Yeah, I don't quite get that about the CB. I've known of a people to farm inside the city limits of small cities, but I don't think that's happening in KC.
Rural doesn't necessarily mean farm, just low enough density, which is why part of Kansas City counted as rural.
(Because Google finally expanded their coverage of some Ohio cities, I'll probably post a lot of these, in the future. )
For anyone interested, this is a section of Youngstown that was never developed, although infrastructure was laid out during the 50s, in anticipation of further development.
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