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View Poll Results: How warm must it at least be?
Warm summers with no variable snowpack in winter 33 19.64%
Hot summers with no variable snowpack in winter 50 29.76%
Chilly winters and warm summers 15 8.93%
Chilly winters and hot summers 29 17.26%
Not any of the above (please explain) 41 24.40%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-25-2013, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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We are supposed to be a borderline sub tropical Climate.

In what sense is New Jersey "Subtropical" . It was 16 F today morning, and we have already recorded a week's worth of temperatures below freezing and more is yet to come. Every year, we have several days when highs fail to reach freezing and our average snow accumulation is 32". In my opinion, subtropical climates should be in locations where high's do not drop below freezing on a yearly basis and must receive less than 15" of snow annually. Highs above 70 F in every month = Tropical in my opinion.

Some Sub Tropical US Cities:
  1. Atlanta
  2. Charlotte
  3. Dallas
  4. Houston
  5. Richmond
  6. Nashville
  7. OKC
  8. Jacksonville
  9. Tallahassee
  10. Birmingham
Some Tropical US Cities:
  1. Orlando
  2. Tampa
  3. Miami
  4. Daytona

 
Old 12-25-2013, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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^^ Daytona averages 68 for a high in January
 
Old 12-25-2013, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Cities with hot summers (obviously) and mild winters. By 'mild winters' I mean they must have average temps over 21C throughout the winter. They should also never EVER see snow (looking at you, New Orleans - which has even chillier winters than Melbourne and how it's 'subtropicalized' a lot).

So for me, Sydney, Buenos Ares, Monte Video, Atlanta, Charleston, Savannah, Lisbon and parts of LA aren't subtropical, but temperate (as their average winter temps don't reach 21C).

These are true subtropical climates:

Tampa
Orlando
Brisbane
Gold Coast
New Delhi
São Paulo
Durban
Antananarivo
Harare
Windhoek
Mount Isa
Lucknow
 
Old 12-25-2013, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE
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IMO nowhere in the lower 48 should be considered tropical, even the Florida Keys can get on the cool side in the winter.
 
Old 12-25-2013, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Aus
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Somewhere like Brisbane is my idea of subtropical.

My criteria are:

No measurable snow
The hottest summer month should average at least 24C / 75F
The coldest winter month should average at least 10C / 50F
NO average lows 2C or under
Record low NO LESS than -5C
Ideally have NO MORE than 10 frosts per year
 
Old 12-25-2013, 08:49 PM
 
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Would you consider the coastal Pacific Northwest subtropical?
 
Old 12-25-2013, 08:57 PM
 
Location: In transition
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Originally Posted by belmont22 View Post
Would you consider the coastal Pacific Northwest subtropical?
No! We get measurable snowfall every winter and can't grow crops like citrus, bananas and mangos commercially
 
Old 12-25-2013, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Humid Subtropical-cities like Charleston, Houston, Savannah, New Orleans, Jacksonville (mild-to-cool winters, hot and damp summers)
Subtropical-cities like Orlando, Tampa, Daytona Beach, Sarasota, La Paz (Mexico). Hot and damp summers, mild-to-warm winters prone to Arctic cold fronts
Semi-tropical-cities like Key West, Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Naples, West Palm Beach, Fort Myers. Hot and damp summers, warm winters with the occasional cold snap.
Tropical-cities like Honolulu, Cancun, Kolkata, Cabo San Lucas, Hilo, Goa, Rio De Janeiro. Hot summers, warm winters, and no temps below 50F except in mountainous areas, and generally quite a bit of rain.
 
Old 12-25-2013, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Originally Posted by Adi from the Brunswicks View Post
We are supposed to be a borderline sub tropical Climate.

In what sense is New Jersey "Subtropical" . It was 16 F today morning, and we have already recorded a week's worth of temperatures below freezing and more is yet to come. Every year, we have several days when highs fail to reach freezing and our average snow accumulation is 32". In my opinion, subtropical climates should be in locations where high's do not drop below freezing on a yearly basis and must receive less than 15" of snow annually. Highs above 70 F in every month = Tropical in my opinion.

Some Sub Tropical US Cities:
  1. Atlanta
  2. Charlotte
  3. Dallas
  4. Houston
  5. Richmond
  6. Nashville
  7. OKC
  8. Jacksonville
  9. Tallahassee
  10. Birmingham
Some Tropical US Cities:
  1. Orlando
  2. Tampa
  3. Miami
  4. Daytona
None of those cities are tropical, especially not Tampa, Orlando or Daytona Beach. Miami is only semi-tropical at best-it lies outside the Tropics and has seen snow flurries and temperatures as low as 27F.
 
Old 12-25-2013, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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Originally Posted by Hawaii4evr View Post
None of those cities are tropical, especially not Tampa, Orlando or Daytona Beach. Miami is only semi-tropical at best-it lies outside the Tropics and has seen snow flurries and temperatures as low as 27F.
Any place with winter high temperatures above 70 F is tropical. Period. When you dont require heating in the winter, how is it not tropical. We are called "subtropical" and the HIGH temperature was 26 F with overcast skies today. Early morning was in the teens.
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