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View Poll Results: How warm must it at least be?
Warm summers with no variable snowpack in winter 33 19.64%
Hot summers with no variable snowpack in winter 50 29.76%
Chilly winters and warm summers 15 8.93%
Chilly winters and hot summers 29 17.26%
Not any of the above (please explain) 41 24.40%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-25-2013, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Any place with winter high temperatures above 70 F is tropical. Period. When you dont require heating in the winter, how is it not tropical. We are called "subtropical" and the HIGH temperature was 26 F with overcast skies today. Early morning was in the teens.
Often times, SoCal gets days of 70F or higher (though not the norm). Is it tropical here? NO! Brownsville, TX has winter highs at or above 70F normally, but is not tropical either. Being classified as tropical requires a lot more than having a day in winter being 70F or higher.

 
Old 12-26-2013, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Buxton UK
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Hot, stormy/wet summers and dry, mild sunny winters.

Avg highs above 13-15°C in winter, few air frosts, rain is infrequent.
Avg highs over 30°C in summer, with high humidity and regular rainfall/thunderstorms.
 
Old 12-26-2013, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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IMO any region that can grow citrus commercially is subtropical. So you need a certain amount of Growing degree days to qualify
Citrus are grown here commercially, Do you consider it subtropical?

Are citrus even a subtropical fruit, If they thrive in climates that aren't subtropical?

Vegetation is the best way of determining subtropical climates though. Many of the definitions here seem to be cliched travel agent versions of subtropical, but really it's a climate in which temperate characteristics, have ceased to be the dominant features of that climate -low levels of dormancy, high levels of animal/insect activity, reduced seasonal temperature range.

It's really a science versus travel agency argument, on here.

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Old 12-26-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: HERE
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Warm to hot humid summers and cool but not cold winters. Lots of rain and thunderstorms in spring and summer but the sun shines when it's not raining. Average nightime low in winter should be below 50 F/10 C but above freezing. Frosts can occur during cold spells but snow is pretty rare if it occurs at all. New Orleans and Orlando to me are classic subtropical climates.

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Old 12-26-2013, 10:52 AM
 
Location: In transition
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Citrus are grown here commercially, Do you consider it subtropical?

Are citrus even a subtropical fruit, If they thrive in climates that aren't subtropical?

Vegetation is the best way of determining subtropical climates though. Many of the definitions here seem to be cliched travel agent versions of subtropical, but really it's a climate in which temperate characteristics, have ceased to be the dominant features of that climate -low levels of dormancy, high levels of animal/insect activity, reduced seasonal temperature range.

It's really a science versus travel agency argument, on here.
Well you said that your climate has high levels of insect activity in the winter and you'll obviously have enough growing degree days to grow and fully ripen citrus commercially compared with somewhere like the Scilly Isles and so yes I would say you are subtropical but clearly at the cooler end. I think citrus family of trees are one of the best subtropical indicator plants.
 
Old 12-26-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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A proper subtropical Climate (Say it with the southern drawl ):

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Old 12-26-2013, 12:09 PM
 
Location: A subtropical paradise
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Cities with Subtropical Climates in my opinion:

N.America:Tijuana, San Diego, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Brownsville, Corpus, Houston, New Orleans, Biloxi, Pensacola, Tampa, Daytona Beach, Savannah, Chaleston, Myrtle Beach, Matamoros

S.America: Buenos Aires, Santiago, Montevideo, Lima, Quito, Sau Paulo

Africa: Cairo, Tunis, Alexandria, Cape Town, Johannesburg

Europe:Lisbon, Madrid, Nice, Malta, Valencia, Rome, Athens, Sicily

Asia: New Delhi, Tokyo, Okinawa, Harbin, Guangzhou, Shanghai

Australia: Sydney, Perth, Alice Springs, Northern New Zealand

Anarctica: Weddell Sea
 
Old 12-26-2013, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I wouldn't call San Francisco subtropical. It just isn't warm enough, and the palm trees there are not in very good shape, generally. Plus, it isn't that sunny.
 
Old 12-26-2013, 01:37 PM
 
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Often times, SoCal gets days of 70F or higher (though not the norm). Is it tropical here? NO! Brownsville, TX has winter highs at or above 70F normally, but is not tropical either. Being classified as tropical requires a lot more than having a day in winter being 70F or higher.
Miami has and average LOW of 70 F this November and December. How on earth is it not tropical? I know it gets cold snaps but it isn't enough of those events to tip its averages down. It still gets around 65-70 F low on average I think average events should determine climate, and not record events
 
Old 12-26-2013, 02:12 PM
 
Location: York
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Cities with Subtropical Climates in my opinion:

N.America:Tijuana, San Diego, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Brownsville, Corpus, Houston, New Orleans, Biloxi, Pensacola, Tampa, Daytona Beach, Savannah, Chaleston, Myrtle Beach, Matamoros

S.America: Buenos Aires, Santiago, Montevideo, Lima, Quito, Sau Paulo

Africa: Cairo, Tunis, Alexandria, Cape Town, Johannesburg

Europe:Lisbon, Madrid, Nice, Malta, Valencia, Rome, Athens, Sicily

Asia: New Delhi, Tokyo, Okinawa, Harbin, Guangzhou, Shanghai

Australia: Sydney, Perth, Alice Springs, Northern New Zealand

Anarctica: Weddell Sea
You've basically listed cities from each continent that you've seen on a map. Why the hell is Cairo on your crazy list!?

At least put some thought into it.
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