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Old 07-05-2011, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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We are starting to look more like Europe with every passing day.

Charles Krauthammer | Middle-Aged | Employment | RealClearPolitics
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Old 07-05-2011, 02:30 PM
 
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I've been in the sales and marketing field for the past 15 years, specifically as an account manager. Since getting downsized two years ago account manager jobs have been about as rare as unicorns. The only type of sales jobs that I see out there are highly technical medical/engineering type sales jobs or entry level jobs selling office equipment. Just getting comfortable to the fact that the job I have now will be the best one I can get for the 4-5 years. Enough to keep a roof over my head and groceries on the table.

In my immediate circle of friends there are at least 5-6 guys that I know that are highly trained sales people or have professional training like a CPA or architect who can't find work. All of them are in their 30's and 40's and the prospects of a decent job anytime soon are slim.
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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How do you possibly make the logical leap from 6 months average unemployment to OMG NEVER WORK AGAIN IN YOUR LIFE?
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:43 PM
 
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Think people will find jobs, but not in what they used to do. This recession has done for white collar jobs what the 80's did for blue collar jobs.
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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I agree with grimi66 - probably the same age. I sold to fortune 500 companies and actaully most of the Fortune 10.. And yet, I can't find a company that wants a top sales professional - it is all "entry level".
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:18 PM
 
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Krauthammer usually takes the right wing view. Now even he says the GOP has no plan.
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Old 07-05-2011, 09:05 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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I actually know many more recent college graduates out of work than people middle aged. In fact, where I work there have been 3 recent hires at 60-75k pay levels that were between ages 50 and 60.
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Old 07-06-2011, 06:58 AM
 
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I agree with grimi66 - probably the same age. I sold to fortune 500 companies and actaully most of the Fortune 10.. And yet, I can't find a company that wants a top sales professional - it is all "entry level".
Sold for a Fortune 1000, Fortune 500 and an Inc 500 (privately held companies) and can't even get a phone interview. Not looking to get rich, but just want a good old fashioned territory account manager job that gives you a car & hotel allowance, let's me hit the road 2-3 days a week and base myself out of my home office. It's frustrating because when I started out in sales, it was the guys (and some women) in their 40's and early 50's that were the most desirable and I saw many of my older co-workers snatched up in bidding wars between companies.

Trying to put a good spin on things, at least I have a solid ( but low paying) job. My friends and co-workers that had the high power and high paying VP of Sales, National Account Manager jobs that paid 6 figures are mostly unemployed right now or are "consultants".
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Land of the Free*
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well, we know that there are actually plenty of jobs out there, ready for takers at pretty much any time.

but then again, many people prefer unemployment to taking these jobs, which they consider to be beneath them.

i write this as i read an article about how despite California's ridiculously high unemployment rate, San Diego manufacturers just can't find any workers
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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We are starting to look more like Europe with every passing day.

Charles Krauthammer | Middle-Aged | Employment | RealClearPolitics
Well being that he is the fountain of all knowledge, I guess it must be true.
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