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Originally Posted by redguard57
Your FIRST job paid 1500 a month in the 1980s? 18,000 a year in 1988 dollars is the equivalent of making about $36,000 today. A college graduate today has to have several years experience to even compete for that kind of entry level position. A brand new graduate has almost zero chance.
Give me a break. About half the recent grads I know went right into 50k+ positions with a BA or BS, a few close to double that. The last two places I worked at didn't even have entry level jobs under 35k and interns/fellows were making $12/hr.
Give me a break. About half the recent grads I know went right into 50k+ positions with a BA or BS, a few close to double that. The last two places I worked at didn't even have entry level jobs under 35k and interns/fellows were making $12/hr.
None of that seems to be in Illinois or in Dallas either. Half of the recent grads you know must have had someone in the company pulling for them.
I keep an eye on the job market. I'm fairly well ensconced in a Fortune 50 company right now. I've been a technical help desk superintendent (supporting company IT rollouts across the nation) for the last seven years, managed server environments for seven years before that, managed up to 100 troops and was superintendent of an Air Force training facility (training 1000 intelligence and systems personnel) before that.
But now in my 60s, if I got laid off right now and had to go scarfing for a job, I'd be SOL in this environment.
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk
None of that seems to be in Illinois or in Dallas either. Half of the recent grads you know must have had someone in the company pulling for them.
I keep an eye on the job market. I'm fairly well ensconced in a Fortune 50 company right now. I've been a technical help desk superintendent (supporting company IT rollouts across the nation) for the last seven years, managed server environments for seven years before that, managed up to 100 troops and was superintendent of an Air Force training facility (training 1000 intelligence and systems personnel) before that.
But now in my 60s, if I got laid off right now and had to go scarfing for a job, I'd be SOL in this environment.
It includes several people in Chicago. One, a daughter of a friend went from UChicago undergrad in econ to a firm where she interned and it is over 80k out of undergrad. I'm sure the same position would be more in Boston/NY, etc.
I don't know Dallas.
I'm in Boston now but we mostly hire entry level people from our interns.
No, you don't need people "pulling" for you. I certainly didn't when I was entry level.
It includes several people in Chicago. One, a daughter of a friend went from UChicago undergrad in econ to a firm where she interned and it is over 80k out of undergrad. I'm sure the same position would be more in Boston/NY, etc.
I don't know Dallas.
I'm in Boston now but we mostly hire entry level people from our interns.
No, you don't need people "pulling" for you. I certainly didn't when I was entry level.
Agreed, the only people you need "pulling" for you are the ones that you hopefully make an impact on when you go for the interview. Rarely does it turn out to be a buddy system for people that get jobs, it does happen, but not as often as you think.
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Agreed, the only people you need "pulling" for you are the ones that you hopefully make an impact on when you go for the interview. Rarely does it turn out to be a buddy system for people that get jobs, it does happen, but not as often as you think.
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Right. Which is why interning is so important. There weren't so many paid internships in my field (the one I started in) when I was in undergrad, but both of my first two professional jobs were at places I interned or volunteered and I knew almost everyone on the hiring panel from my experience. Those were long days as often I worked for free during the day and worked in food service at night.
Of course now most internships are paid and we're going more and more in that direction due to recent court rulings.
It includes several people in Chicago. One, a daughter of a friend went from UChicago undergrad in econ to a firm where she interned and it is over 80k out of undergrad. I'm sure the same position would be more in Boston/NY, etc.
I don't know Dallas.
I'm in Boston now but we mostly hire entry level people from our interns.
No, you don't need people "pulling" for you. I certainly didn't when I was entry level.
Wait. Aren't you saying that those people got jobs in the places they interned? And you think that doesn't provide pull from inside the company?
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Wait. Aren't you saying that those people got jobs in the places they interned? And you think that doesn't provide pull from inside the company?
Not like you were saying no. It isn't a friend or parent pulling strings / calling out favors.
It is the person opening doors on their own. They interned, showed themselves to be smart and capable, generated experience and took it from there.
We all open doors on our own, if we didn't, we'd never interview. So, if you're not pulling for yourself or can't impress anyone with your work during an internship, well, there is your problem.
Right. Which is why interning is so important. There weren't so many paid internships in my field (the one I started in) when I was in undergrad, but both of my first two professional jobs were at places I interned or volunteered and I knew almost everyone on the hiring panel from my experience. Those were long days as often I worked for free during the day and worked in food service at night.
But we're talking about people who are already out of college and hadn't gotten the internships (let's not even mention that even for people in college, internships aren't simply a matter of saying "I want one").
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Of course now most internships are paid and we're going more and more in that direction due to recent court rulings.
It's been the federal law for a long time that an internship must be paid unless it's purely training make-work. Any intern position that results in profitable work must be paid. Those recent court rulings have been the enforcement of what has been the law for a long time.
Not like you were saying no. It isn't a friend or parent pulling strings / calling out favors.
It is the person opening doors on their own. They interned, showed themselves to be smart and capable, generated experience and took it from there.
We all open doors on our own, if we didn't, we'd never interview. So, if you're not pulling for yourself or can't impress anyone with your work during an internship, well, there is your problem.
If someone knows you and can give you an internal reference (yes, they'll ask, just as I've been asked about interns that have worked for me), that's pull.
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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But we're talking about people who are already out of college and hadn't gotten the internships (let's not even mention that even for people in college, internships aren't simply a matter of saying "I want one").
Well shoot, if you can't land internships, I don't even know what to tell you. And you can be out of college and do internships / fellowships; the last company I was at had post undergrad interns/fellows in addition to undergrad ones. That isn't uncommon in that field (a tech field).
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk
It's been the federal law for a long time that an internship must be paid unless it's purely training make-work. Any intern position that results in profitable work must be paid. Those recent court rulings have been the enforcement of what has been the law for a long time.
And that's irrelevant. They were paying for them when I was doing them. Of course, not all internships are with for profits either.
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