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We will always need social workers, writers, professors, teachers, linguists, lawyers, therapists, writers, advertising executives, public policy specialists, historians, sales people, and a people with the skills gleaned from a liberal arts education who have the intellectual flexibility to work in a myriad of fields that require crystallized knowledge gleaned from a diverse education.
A liberal arts education.
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I do have one question: Why does every liberal arts person assume those with STEM degrees did not also study the various liberal arts along the way. You do know STEM majors take plenty of English, history, social studies, econ, art, music, foreign language, you name it, just as a subset of getting the STEM education. With most STEM majors, it's not a question of either/or. It's both/and.
I studied quite a few liberal arts during my undergrad for requirements. I had 12 credits in history, 9 in humanities, 3 in geography, 8 in english, 9 in spanish, etc
I definitely agree that chemistry, biology, biochemistry and most related majors are poor choices for smart students. There is very poor demand for such majors and the demand that is there are terrible contract jobs with no benefits and wages fit for a garbage collector. There are some jobs that are decent. I finally managed to get a pretty good job. But it is mostly total crap. I would not advise nor even allow anyone in my family to major in science.
The idea that the victims are just "subpar students" is just derogatory, dismissive, blame the victim nonsense. I've seen quite a few very intelligent people have their lives really messed up with a science degree especially the horror show that is science PhD programs. Although not written specifically for science PhD's in the US it very eloquently captures the many problems there. liv | Dear brilliant students:
You captured the scene perfectly! There were opportunities in these fields 30 years ago and many of my colleagues did very well during the growth phase of these industries but the past eight years really has been abysmal. I feel bad young people who pursued these degrees are now in this position. I am now seeing a heavy and blatant prejudice with foreign hiring managers only hiring people of their own ethnicity in subordinate positions..
You would have been better off getting a business degree and having the "Animal House" experience while partying with hot chicks... Then get a 100K plus job off Wall Street .. Sure I'm exaggerating, but it's fun..
Past few years? It's since 1998, when those companies cried wolf about Year2000 meltdown which didn't happen.
By that time they had brought in foreign workers who not only didn't returm home, the companies ever since keep hiring more and more, on top of outsourcing the rest.
They systematically prevent well trained American workers from getting jobs.
White ameicans in stem fields need to focus on developing super weapons to get rid of alot of these other people. Then sell them to the russians. The only way people respond is with "bullets".
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Originally Posted by tequila4less
I don't know about White-Americans, but Chinese-Japanese-Indian-Americans are doing pretty well in STEM jobs.
I do have one question: Why does every liberal arts person assume those with STEM degrees did not also study the various liberal arts along the way. You do know STEM majors take plenty of English, history, social studies, econ, art, music, foreign language, you name it, just as a subset of getting the STEM education. With most STEM majors, it's not a question of either/or. It's both/and.
It's ironic that you mention that, because with very few exceptions, I found my liberal arts classes to be far and away the most useless, both professionally and personally. Like another poster, I took 9 credits of history classes and learned nothing that you couldn't have gotten just by reading books, and almost all of it in prep school before I even got to that class. I use the Latin I learned in high school far more than my Spanish classes in college, and so on. I would have far preferred more technical classes in STEM, but perhaps outside my field. Some programming, GIS, classes in specific lab skills, stuff that you need a person to teach you rather than just info you could have learned out of a book. OTOH, they certainly give the GPA a nice boost which was good for grad school I suppose.
The odds of getting a job in a 'soft,' non technical/scientific career with a STEM degree, is far better than getting a technical/scientific job with a liberal arts degree.
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yikes I hope so!
Sure I'm exaggerating, but it's fun..
