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So my boss responded back to me and he would want to write a letter of recommendation!
I also forgot to mention is that the job i interviewed for does an EXTENSIVE background check and it's quite possible that they will contact my boss to confirm that I work there. i don't want to catch him offguard.
Maybe OP works for fishbrains, a class act as far as managers go.
So my boss responded back to me and he would want to write a letter of recommendation!
I also forgot to mention is that the job i interviewed for does an EXTENSIVE background check and it's quite possible that they will contact my boss to confirm that I work there. i don't want to catch him offguard.
When I first read your thread I thought "Oh No, don't tell them you're interviewing"!! However, I do get your point and it sounds like you have a really nice boss! So nice in fact that I'm surprised you would be looking as good managers are hard to come by, but I know that's not the only deciding factor in staying or looking elsewhere. Good luck to you and home it all works out
When I first read your thread I thought "Oh No, don't tell them you're interviewing"!! However, I do get your point and it sounds like you have a really nice boss! So nice in fact that I'm surprised you would be looking as good managers are hard to come by, but I know that's not the only deciding factor in staying or looking elsewhere. Good luck to you and home it all works out
Agreed, I suspect the OP was only trying to use the implied 'threat' of leaving to put the boss on the spot to address what is causing the OP's discontent.
Goes both ways indeed, let's hope the OP's boss doesn't see through this too much and have it in for the OP.
Whoa, let's get one thing straight. I am not calling anyone's bluff; however, this new job would be a huge movement towards my career goals; my current boss knows that. He understood that once I am done with my schooling, I will sit for the CPA exam, and if I get hired on by a firm, then I would be out. I made that very clear with him on that AND he gave me some tips about the CPA exam and which firms are "the good firms"
I am not discontent; Im trying to use my education and put it to work--simple as that. You guys take this thread way too far.
edit: Remember, the two interviews that I did have, I applied for those jobs before I even applied with my current position. Actually, i applied for those positions two weeks before I applied with my current position. The government takes forever to hire their people, while at my job, they hired me almost immediately. And to be honest, I have been so busy that I haven't looked for a job since I have been working at my current position.
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It's pretty naive to think that the people around you aren't doing the same thing.
Just as you sit at your keyboard and post throughout the day on this forum with a company computer, there are likely just as many of your peers shopping Amazon, updating their fantasy team line ups, or *gasp* checking out job boards and applying for other gigs.
I can say in a large F50 firm with 250K+ employees there are definitely lots of violations of the firm's electronic use policy and their managers are notified accordingly. A lot of it is automated and escalated if the manager does not report any action taken.
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Should a company be able to monitor your activity? Sure, absolutely. If it's their resource, they have every right. Do most do that? No, because most company's IT depts don't have the resources to scour every internet or phone activity log of their employees to look for the nominal levels of abuse that does occur in every organization.
You're making it sound like there are billions of logs with people having to read through them line by line. If you really have any IT experience as your below claim states you'd know that data analysis is easily automated and reported. A novice solution would be a simple shell script to aggregate logs and parse them for keywords. An enterprise typically has a more robust solution, and it's very marketable to many companies.
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Usually, they'll have certain websites blocked on their networks, like Facebook or Twitter, because they don't want people posting on vulnerable social media sites all day. But that is about the extent of it.
Partially true. Bluecoat will definitely catch a majority of nasty websites, and firms do run a regular vulnerability scanning program to include targeted email phishing attempts to catch employees who foolishly click on links without taking into account what may lay there. Ultrarunner actually complained about this but it's very true and a huge concern to any organization, whether you like it or not.
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Even if they did do it, what kind of unprofessional, conniving setting must you work in where the manager/employer has such little trust in their employees that they choose to dedicate a cost-sucking, non revenue generating resource to it. IT is mostly viewed as a cost center, so their resources are limited as is.
The setting would be a firm that has any vested interest in protecting itself. Any firm that has customer data to some degree is subject to audit and government compliance. The security program serves to protect the firm and ultimately its customers. That's not conniving - that's the government trying to stop businesses from causing another financial shockwave. A lot of that stuff was blase before 2008 - now government auditors are keeping much closer tabs on how a firm operates. Look at Equifax - they're going to suffer millions in fines due to someone like you being in a management position and looking at data protection as a "cost-sucking, non revenue generating resource". Well now you get to feel the full effect of your own attitude towards security.
If an employee is adhering to policy then they have nothing to worry about. IT is a cost in the sense that it does not actively generate revenue, but saving a firm millions in fines by properly enforcing a security program does.
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I've worked at a number of very large corporations and "ExpertAnalysis'" post is off the wall bonkers. I've never seen a single person escorted from a company's premises for their internet activity. Granted, excessive cases might exist where someone was caught watching porn or something. But I haven't even encountered something like that in my career.
Think of it this way. If a company cared that much about abuse of internet privileges, they'd simply block any non-intranet or non-business resource site. They are fully capable of doing that, but in my experience, they do not.
I've been in a Cyber role for 10 years now and I find your experience to be inadequate to comment on this sub-discussion.
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Yes exactly. I could not rep you again but I would if I could. It just seems a little far fetch that a company would hire a team of people to monitor the employees internet use or to just monitor employees period.
Can you imagine how slow that job would get. I can't imagine that they find things everyday that need to be reported. I could understand if this was done weekly, but not everyday.
Enough to cause a company to hire a team of people to monitor that? I'm not doubting this, I don't know much about IT so I won't speak on it as if I do. I just find it drastic to go through this daily to possibly catch an employee doing something they are not suppose to be doing.
If companies are so invested in catching their badly employee behavior. Why aren't they more invested in stopping people from hacking their systems and their millions of customers personal data(Equifax)?
See my above comments. A firm must invest in security or suffer the consequences. Equifax was an Apache struts vulnerability - there is no information that an employee was sending account information in emails or clicking on ransomware links in emails. Guess they were moving too fast.
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Yes but that wasn't the point I was originally discussing.
A poster seemed to imply that an employee in general was guaranteed privacy in terms of their conduct online at work, on company equipment and on company time.
That is totally untrue. I said nothing about web browsing at work in general, and if you read my post you would know that my previous companies never restricted online browsing entirely (and I don't use company computer to browse CD forum, there's a thing called a smart phone).
I am also a realist. While some may gush over managers and bosses that offer their employees encouragement in finding other jobs, that doesn't mean all bosses are like this. A small company is not representative of the whole, and to wish otherwise is fanciful thinking. I certainly don't think these rare bosses we're emailed such things either; the employee was professional enough to discuss it face to face.
And to those who think people can't be fired for web browsing or that companies wouldn't spend the time monitoring employee surfing, they are dead wrong.
Obviously you're referring to me. I never said they were guaranteed to privacy. I said that I don't think it's right or professional to allow other employees to know the circumstances to why an employee was fired.
You are correct that since my role is in IT (data protection) and I am not working in HR that you would not expect me to observe the result of an employee being flagged for a violation. However noticing that someone is no longer with a firm is as simple as no longer seeing them as active in the company phonebook. When an employee is terminated all their access is removed (another security measure) so it's rather obvious to piece together what happened. However, we are not provided granular details as you would hope - that is between the employee and their manager and likely HR.
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Also never said I believe companies don't monitor their employees. Of course they do. But all day everyday, enough to hire a team....that seems excessive.
Yes all day, everyday. Again this is easily automated - it doesn't require someone to sitting in an office watching over someone's workstation via screenshare or checking security cameras. It's the same concept with financial transactions - some will generate red flags based on algorithms. Some employee behaviour will generate red flags based on button clicks, keywords, badge swipe or RFID tracking, etc. It goes onto reports, those reports are used to notify interested parties, and the escalate if no action is taken. This is not something in which a firm takes pleasure - it is a matter of security and protecting the firm from harm.
When you say "hire a team of people" it's not like this is a new thing requiring some elite set of workers. In my particular firm there is already a huge IT presence, and a subset of that is cyber security. This is an ongoing program and there are many parts of cyber security - not just data protection. Red teams, penetration testers, security analysts, etc.
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^ This. We know it happens, we know that they can be monitored but doubt it's to such excess that employees are being dragged out of the work place for an unauthorized internet search.
There are varying degrees of violating an electronic usage policy. To get back to the OP - sending emails to your boss saying you're looking elsewhere could be viewed as inappropriate but it appears his manager deemed otherwise - that is fine.
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Only time you should do this is if you're current job is already gonna end in the near future.
Agreed - you should always be applying to jobs and going through interviews, if anything for the pure sake of networking. You're more likely to get a new job when you already have one. Companies usually don't want to deal with unemployed applicants because they usually bring all sorts of baggage with them. Glad it worked out for the OP though.
So my boss responded back to me and he would want to write a letter of recommendation!
I also forgot to mention is that the job i interviewed for does an EXTENSIVE background check and it's quite possible that they will contact my boss to confirm that I work there. i don't want to catch him offguard.
Now that's just weird. No one contacts your current employer in this country. Did you tell the hiring manager to call your boss?
I recently told my boss that I was looking for something else. We have a great relationship and they knew that this was a high stress position for me and getting worse. They tried to find another position in their company for me but it is a small mom and pop business and so finances are not all there.
I've been in a Cyber role for 10 years now and I find your experience to be inadequate to comment on this sub-discussion.
In my 15 years of work experience, I've never personally observed someone walked out the door because of their internet activity. Heck, I even observed a director who opened an external phishing email which pushed several scam emails to people in her contact list, and she was not even terminated.
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There are varying degrees of violating an electronic usage policy. To get back to the OP - sending emails to your boss saying you're looking elsewhere could be viewed as inappropriate but it appears his manager deemed otherwise - that is fine.
This is dumb. In many cases, they ask for you to send an email or printed form because they need it documented for HR if you are planning on leaving. But carry on with your scare tactics.
You should not tell your present employer you are actively job seeking. If your employer hears or finds out you are interviewing elsewhere, they will replace you instantly. It is worse if you separate involuntarily and have interviews that do not result in job offers.
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*gasp* checking out job boards and applying for other gigs.
