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Honestly I was thinking the same thing. An employee's information is private and to have it just out in the open like that does not seem right or professional.
While ExpertAnalysis' post might seem a bit far fetched, even more far fetched is that some people think an employee can do whatever they want on the job, on the company's time and on the company's equipment/software, without any repercussions.
Every company I have worked with in the internet age has had specific guidance on employee conduct in the employee manual, including the use of company equipment such as computers and the internet.
I was fortunate that these companies were not totally draconian in the use of the internet on company time. I know some places are really strict about what you browse online during company time. But, they still stated that employees were expected to conduct themselves professionally and not abuse internet privileges. And not one company had a policy that stated what you did on company time including the use of phones and internet was completely private.
Why would it be private? Any company has the right to monitor what their employee does on company time, including using phones and computers to do a job search and job applications. I have no problems with that.
While ExpertAnalysis' post might seem a bit far fetched, even more far fetched is that some people think an employee can do whatever they want on the job, on the company's time and on the company's equipment/software, without any repercussions.
Every company I have worked with in the internet age has had specific guidance on employee conduct in the employee manual, including the use of company equipment such as computers and the internet.
I was fortunate that these companies were not totally draconian in the use of the internet on company time. I know some places are really strict about what you browse online during company time. But, they still stated that employees were expected to conduct themselves professionally and not abuse internet privileges. And not one company had a policy that stated what you did on company time including the use of phones and internet was completely private.
Why would it be private? Any company has the right to monitor what their employee does on company time, including using phones and computers to do a job search and job applications. I have no problems with that.
I'm just saying for one person to sit and monitor everything an employee does seems a bit drastic (internet searches, emails) especially to the point of knowing why someone got fired when they are not a manager or supervisor.
No, I would not. I don't see this as an issue of respect. I have had a number of supervisors I respected. I demonstrated my respect with adequate notice of resignation and doing my best to ensure a smooth transition. Interviews are non-issues until they turn into offers.
Global Security Investigation, eh? Is that like, the CIA within your "organization"?
Do they handcuff them and escort them off the premises as well?
Sorry, this just sounds like a BS story to me, and I've worked for a number of legit F500 corporations throughout my career.
GSI is a high-level department. They have their own sub-departments just I work in DP within the larger organization of Corporate Technology. GSI handles anything from HR complaints about managers to fraud investigations being conducted on the dark net. We forward the violation information to them - what they do with it is not my business I just happen to see the outcome frequently.
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I'm just saying for one person to sit and monitor everything an employee does seems a bit drastic (internet searches, emails) especially to the point of knowing why someone got fired when they are not a manager or supervisor.
It's not one person - I work on a team of several people performing daily monitoring and reporting of large volumes of data, and it's always growing and facing new changes. Systems are always being enhanced and developed by support teams to enforce tighter controls. Data Protection is all about protecting a firm's IP, and nothing an employee does is private. There are specific areas to target - for example certain departments that are responsible for administering "high-risk access" (HRA) or phone employees that access customer financial information. We're not really concerned about what time you swipe you badge or when you power on your machine - that stuff is just noise. Credit card #'s or bank account info going out in emails, or unrecognized numbers dialing into an internal teleconference, or employees visiting job websites when they should be working...thats the kind of stuff that can impact a firm. Install the company email app on your phone or access it from your home computer? Monitored - and you didn't read your 90-page company code of ethics or acceptable usage policy so you didn't realize it has a provision to make that a term of agreement.
Think what you like, but in the three enterprises I've worked in 10 years anything regarding seeking a new job would get you instantly fired, and I've seen it first hand as I've been in cyber security and specializing in DP. I wouldn't tell my boss and I certainly would not put it in email as that just provides more evidence.
1) You could be "looking" for another job for months. You going to let the manager know about every interview? He's a boss not a confidant. Plus, you said he already knows this could be temporary. You don't need to keep him abreast of every development that takes you closer to the door.
2) IF you get an offer, you'll give two weeks notice right? That's enough "respect." (to use your word)
What's to say he didn't already bring it up?
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Even then, AFAIK, if the OP does bring it up and ended up leaving the meeting because changes couldn't be agreed upon, I'm guessing that his boss will now be "on edge" anyways, as sometimes, a common next step would be to start looking for work.
Last but not least, while the OP may not care about the work, it's also possible the company may not care about him. Blame to go both ways really.
Agreed, I suspect the OP was only trying to use the implied 'threat' of leaving to put the boss on the spot to address what is causing the OP's discontent.
Goes both ways indeed, let's hope the OP's boss doesn't see through this too much and have it in for the OP.
While ExpertAnalysis' post might seem a bit far fetched, even more far fetched is that some people think an employee can do whatever they want on the job, on the company's time and on the company's equipment/software, without any repercussions.
Every company I have worked with in the internet age has had specific guidance on employee conduct in the employee manual, including the use of company equipment such as computers and the internet.
I was fortunate that these companies were not totally draconian in the use of the internet on company time. I know some places are really strict about what you browse online during company time. But, they still stated that employees were expected to conduct themselves professionally and not abuse internet privileges. And not one company had a policy that stated what you did on company time including the use of phones and internet was completely private.
Why would it be private? Any company has the right to monitor what their employee does on company time, including using phones and computers to do a job search and job applications. I have no problems with that.
It's pretty naive to think that the people around you aren't doing the same thing.
Just as you sit at your keyboard and post throughout the day on this forum with a company computer, there are likely just as many of your peers shopping Amazon, updating their fantasy team line ups, or *gasp* checking out job boards and applying for other gigs.
Should a company be able to monitor your activity? Sure, absolutely. If it's their resource, they have every right. Do most do that? No, because most company's IT depts don't have the resources to scour every internet or phone activity log of their employees to look for the nominal levels of abuse that does occur in every organization. Usually, they'll have certain websites blocked on their networks, like Facebook or Twitter, because they don't want people posting on vulnerable social media sites all day. But that is about the extent of it. Even if they did do it, what kind of unprofessional, conniving setting must you work in where the manager/employer has such little trust in their employees that they choose to dedicate a cost-sucking, non revenue generating resource to it. IT is mostly viewed as a cost center, so their resources are limited as is.
I've worked at a number of very large corporations and "ExpertAnalysis'" post is off the wall bonkers. I've never seen a single person escorted from a company's premises for their internet activity. Granted, excessive cases might exist where someone was caught watching porn or something. But I haven't even encountered something like that in my career.
Think of it this way. If a company cared that much about abuse of internet privileges, they'd simply block any non-intranet or non-business resource site. They are fully capable of doing that, but in my experience, they do not.
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It's not one person - I work on a team of several people performing daily monitoring and reporting of large volumes of data, and it's always growing and facing new changes. Systems are always being enhanced and developed by support teams to enforce tighter controls. Data Protection is all about protecting a firm's IP, and nothing an employee does is private. There are specific areas to target - for example certain departments that are responsible for administering "high-risk access" (HRA) or phone employees that access customer financial information. We're not really concerned about what time you swipe you badge or when you power on your machine - that stuff is just noise. Credit card #'s or bank account info going out in emails, or unrecognized numbers dialing into an internal teleconference, or employees visiting job websites when they should be working...thats the kind of stuff that can impact a firm. Install the company email app on your phone or access it from your home computer? Monitored - and you didn't read your 90-page company code of ethics or acceptable usage policy so you didn't realize it has a provision to make that a term of agreement.
Think what you like, but in the three enterprises I've worked in 10 years anything regarding seeking a new job would get you instantly fired, and I've seen it first hand as I've been in cyber security and specializing in DP. I wouldn't tell my boss and I certainly would not put it in email as that just provides more evidence.
OP never even mentioned using a company resource to find a new job. Where are you getting this rich material?
It's almost as if your modus operandi is scare tactics. Every thread you participate on: "You're probably getting fired soon". What?
Last edited by Left-handed; 09-15-2017 at 07:56 AM..
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*gasp* checking out job boards and applying for other gigs.
