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Old 12-02-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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I got a three dollar raise this week, Im up to $21 a hour. I climb buildings for a living. structural steel. why should macdonald get $15 and they cant even get my order right
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:49 AM
 
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I got a three dollar raise this week, Im up to $21 a hour. I climb buildings for a living. structural steel. why should macdonald get $15 and they cant even get my order right
McDicks pays around $13 to start here. Even the teenagers won't get out of bed for minimum wage anymore.
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Old 12-02-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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I got a three dollar raise this week, Im up to $21 a hour. I climb buildings for a living. structural steel. why should macdonald get $15 and they cant even get my order right
What people make is not directly correlated with the danger or effort involved in their jobs. Case in point: I bill out triple to quadruple what you do per hour to sit on my butt and type up pretty words on the computer. I'm positive that you are working harder than I am, and I'm also positive that you are putting yourself in a much more dangerous position than I am (notwithstanding the whole "sitting is the new smoking" thing). Consider what CEOs and professional basketball players vs what teachers and police officers make and you'll see my point. I don't think that this type of "fairness" is really applicable or worth quibbling over when it comes to who is making $15 per hour and who is making $21 per hour when there are people making a hundred thousand dollars per hour.

Congrats on the 15ish% raise, by the way!
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Old 12-02-2017, 11:14 AM
 
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McDicks pays around $13 to start here. Even the teenagers won't get out of bed for minimum wage anymore.
they would if they paid them by joints/hour

work 4 hours and get your 15 minutes smoke break
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:24 PM
 
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Oh this thread turned out to be a rabbit hole.

Lots of bad ideas. Lots of interesting opinions.

Lots of people who do not understand how business works and how Socialism will eventually grind any large scale economy to a halt. It is the responsibility of individuals to promote themselves and today push further. There is no hand out coming.

Don’t like your minimum wage job? Do something about it? The vast majority complaining have plenty of time and access to resources to do something about it but are waiting for government cheese.
What does that copied and pasted rant have to do with the fact that there is a certain cost and value to getting up, getting in a car (most) or wasting hours in public transit), having to eat, take bowel movements, dress decently, be civil to people and accomplish tasks.

It's as if you are gonna recite the Bible to me next after the Fiction Writer.....

All I said was that there is no work which seems worth less than $15 an hour in present day America....assuming one is playing by the rules.

Tell you what. Let's find something that pays really low - like picking blueberries - and have you try it for a week and see what you make (it's piecework). Are you telling us that if you end up with $6 an hour minus taxes that you would be happy and that was what the job was worth?

I'll bet you can say it but not do it.

To make it easier, head out on a day when the temp is over 90 and the humidity is over 80% - and spend one hour straight with a pick and a shovel IN THE SUN digging a ditch. Then come back and tell us of the benefits of capitalism.

As we speak today, Capitalism is killing a LOT of people.....through our bombs and our medical system and our foods....let alone our pollution. I guess if that is "good" then working for low wages in horrible conditions is GREAT,
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:29 PM
 
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What people make is not directly correlated with the danger or effort involved in their jobs. Case in point: I bill out triple to quadruple what you do per hour to sit on my butt and type up pretty words on the computer. I'm positive that you are working harder than I am, and I'm also positive that you are putting yourself in a much more dangerous position than I am (notwithstanding the whole "sitting is the new smoking" thing). Consider what CEOs and professional basketball players vs what teachers and police officers make and you'll see my point. I don't think that this type of "fairness" is really applicable or worth quibbling over when it comes to who is making $15 per hour and who is making $21 per hour when there are people making a hundred thousand dollars per hour.

Congrats on the 15ish% raise, by the way!
Those who work the hardest make the least.....and those who work the least make the most.

I can assure my fans of that. The money is rolling in as I type this.....and, yes, I may gain a few pounds over digging ditches, but my body may last longer too.

All this socialism talk has me stressed out. Time for some chemical fortification. Unfortunately, the Petsmart workers can't join in since they are drug tested. But teachers and politicians are not.

I think it's funny when people act as if our system is fair or in some way designed to reward work. It's not. It's a predatory system and anything I can do (Craig University, anyone?) to ********* out of money you don't have (CU gives student loans)....is A-OK.

You see, the best liars win. Just like the current POTUS.
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:44 PM
 
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I remember in the 70s America bragged about how we would help the 3rd world rise up to where we were. It's not going that way, the 3rd world is here.
Imagine this: a kid's plastic, back-yard wading pool, maybe a foot tall five feet across, filled up to about three inches from the top. Next to it is a six-foot tall narrow cylinder, maybe three inches across, filled about 90% full.

There is a hose connecting the two, at the bottom of both, closed with a faucet.

Now, open the faucet.

Yes, the wading pool (representing the 94% of the rest of the world) will rise, but not nearly as much as the cylinder, which represents the US - 6% of the world's population) falls.

It's predictable and obvious.
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:47 PM
 
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Ask anyone who went to college, if they could get an A without "producing" homework / high test scores...

Even college was not about "knowledge" it was about taking tests and doing homework. Whether you retained the information or got more, if it wasn't tested, it meant nothing to the grade
I never did understand people who never went to college who seem to think students are on some kind of vacation. Depending in part on choice of college and major, of course, it is an EXTREMELY difficult undertaking. Especially if you have to work your way through, maintain a certain GPA for scholarship purposes, complete internships, have responsibilities outside of the classroom, etc. Not everyone can do. Contrary to what many on this board and in this country seem to think, a college degree is something to be proud of, not treated with condescension or derision.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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Capitalism is killing a LOT of people.....through our bombs and our medical system and our foods....let alone our pollution. I guess if that is "good" then working for low wages in horrible conditions is GREAT,

then what other system do you feel be better beneficial.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:35 PM
 
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McDicks pays around $13 to start here. Even the teenagers won't get out of bed for minimum wage anymore.

The kiosk will.
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