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historically yes, those could be considered among the top three but things have changed due to importance on STEM over law and literature. Yale has been falling behind in this sector which has caused the student body to push for more focus on programming classes and such, oxford is well behind Cambridge being more historically a liberal arts school. Harvard, while having an excellent engineering school still puts their main focus on law. If you look at listing of tops schools in america (and the world) made today you'll often see MIT, CALtech, and Stanford fighting in the top 3
This is true to a limited degree. There was a particularly strong rise in rankings for schools with STEMs research focused grad programs over the last decade and a half because of an emphasis on papers published and money spent (obviously, lab equipment and machinery costs are going to be higher for most STEMs studies than other fields), but even with that there's not really a demarcating line among the more old guard top schools and the newer ones in the three most recognized global university rankings. This is why you have something like this year's THE rankings which has put Oxford back to number one, ARWU putting Harvard at number one, and QS putting MIT at number one. There's basically about ten schools or so which have horse traded for first place in the major rankings over the last decade and a half and it will likely be this same set of old guard schools and the schools that rely more heavily on their research numbers for STEMs fields that will keep swapping back and forth for years to come.
historically yes, those could be considered among the top three but things have changed due to importance on STEM over law and literature. Yale has been falling behind in this sector which has caused the student body to push for more focus on programming classes and such, oxford is well behind Cambridge being more historically a liberal arts school. Harvard, while having an excellent engineering school still puts their main focus on law. If you look at listing of tops schools in america (and the world) made today you'll often see MIT, CALtech, and Stanford fighting in the top 3
And I didn't say that Stanford is definitely the #1 school; I simply said it was arguable.
Yes, one could argue that Harvard is #1 (I would probably still give the edge to Harvard) and Yale, Princeton, Columbia, MIT, Caltech are likely in the conversation too.
Oxbridge too, but honestly that's largely a legacy reputation. Oxbridge don't produce the same research/scholarship as in the past, they both have relatively small endowments and aren't as competitive as the top U.S. schools.
In any case, the University of Manchester would not be in the conversation, and no one would consider it an academic equivalent to Stanford.
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And I didn't say that Stanford is definitely the #1 school; I simply said it was arguable.
Yes, one could argue that Harvard is #1 (I would probably still give the edge to Harvard) and Yale, Princeton, Columbia, MIT, Caltech are likely in the conversation too.
Oxbridge too, but honestly that's largely a legacy reputation. Oxbridge don't produce the same research/scholarship as in the past, they both have relatively small endowments and aren't as competitive as the top U.S. schools.
In any case, the University of Manchester would not be in the conversation, and no one would consider it an academic equivalent to Stanford.
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What are you prattling on about Manchester for, it's not the best University even in England, as for Endowments, I have already explained in a previous post about the difference in funding and that British Universities and generally Public Institutions rather than Private .
Manchester is a decent University, with 25 Nobel Prizes in a city, which is on a level similar to some Ivy League Universities, so I am not sure what point you are trying to make. If you want to compare Stanford than I suggest you do it with a comparable institution such as Oxbridge or London, which is a global knowledge hub.
What are you prattling on about Manchester for, it's not the best University even in England, as for Endowments,
We're comparing Manchester with San Francisco. Oxbridge are nowhere near Manchester. Is there some other university in Manchester you wish to "prattle on about" or do you need a British geography lesson?
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Manchester is a decent University, with 25 Nobel Prizes in a city, which is on a level similar to some Ivy League Universities, so I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
Manchester isn't comparable to any Ivy League university. Even Oxbridge isn't really comparable these days.
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If you want to compare Stanford than I suggest you do it with a comparable institution such as Oxbridge or London, which is a global knowledge hub.
Except no one claimed that SF was comparable to London. Why would we do this when there's no disagreement?
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We're comparing Manchester with San Francisco. Oxbridge are nowhere near Manchester. Is there some other university in Manchester you wish to "prattle on about" or do you need a British geography lesson?
No we are not, the thead is about comparing the UK with California, the only reason Manchester was mentioned was because some poster said some fairly negative things that were patentlly untrue.
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Manchester isn't comparable to any Ivy League university. Even Oxbridge isn't really comparable these days.
Oxford and Cambridge are two of the finest Universities in the World and are comparable with the best Universities in the World, whilst Manchester is a city with a good University and which has a long history of scientific discovery.
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Except no one claimed that SF was comparable to London. Why would we do this when there's no disagreement?
It's you who is making the grandiose claims that British Universities are far inferior, and not I. I think Britain has some of the best Universities in the world and they reguarly rank highly in relation to international comparison.
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No we are not, the thead is about comparing the UK with California, the only reason Manchester was mentioned was because some poster said some fairly negative things that were patentlly untrue.
Oxford and Cambridge are two of the finest Universities in the World and are comparable with the best Universities in the World, whilst Manchester is a city with a good University and which has a long history of scientific discovery.
It's you who is making the grandiose claims that British Universities are far inferior, and not I. I think Britain has some of the best Universities in the world and they reguarly rank highly in relation to international comparison.
I think we have a misunderstanding here. On the first page I think a few people mentioned how California has at least two global cities (if you exclude San Diego which is becoming harder each day with all the biotech research and funds for UCSD) and the UK only had one true global city. Then it was questioned what San Francisco (California's second city) had that made it more global than Manchester (arguably the UK's second city). A plethora of points were made including the fact that Berkeley and Stanford (two universities in the San Francisco area) were far more renowned and global than any university around Manchester helping San Francisco be considered more global. That is all.
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