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Old 03-13-2017, 08:03 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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HISPANIC CULTURE, NOT A RACE OR NATIONALITY.
GALLIC CULTURE, ITALIC CULTURE, NOT A RACE OR NATIONALITY

The three sprang from Roman or Latin culture, not a race or nationality.

"Barbarian" or "Germanic" cultures are based on TRIBUM, RACE. They invaded Western Europe as TRIBES, and some remain as TRIBES except in fully romanized countries.

Roma destroyed tribes and "races" and placed people in civites or cities "civilizatio" to transform them into Roman Citizens NOT BASED IN TRIBES, NOT BASED ON RACE AS THE US.
What is a race?
I noticed that this word is very commonly used by people from Germanic origin. In Brazil we use the word "raça" - which is becoming increasingly offensive - for identifying large groups sharing common phenotype traits - e. g. black, caucasian, mongoloid, etc. But in other languages it appears to have a more specific meaning.
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:14 AM
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What is a race?
I noticed that this word is very commonly used by people from Germanic origin. In Brazil we use the word "raça" - which is becoming increasingly offensive - for identifying large groups sharing common phenotype traits - e. g. black, caucasian, mongoloid, etc. But in English, German and Nordic languages it looks to have a more specific meaning.
In the English speaking countries they define race different to be honest I find their definition quite "racist" if you call someone white in Brazil it is because they look white, in the USA and other Anglo countries according to rednecks white means absent of "contamination"(non-white). In the English speaking world historically there was a huge effort to keep the "races" separate so that the "purity" of the white race wouldn't be contaminated. The whole vocabulary is loaded.
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Old 03-13-2017, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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What is a race?
I noticed that this word is very commonly used by people from Germanic origin. In Brazil we use the word "raça" - which is becoming increasingly offensive - for identifying large groups sharing common phenotype traits - e. g. black, caucasian, mongoloid, etc. But in other languages it appears to have a more specific meaning.

The traditional European definition of 'race' followed ethnic and national lines, where it could be used to describe such groupings as, 'the German race', 'the British race', 'the Indian race', etc. or even by religion as in, 'the Jewish race', or 'the Muslim race', because the term was largely cultural or tribal and phenotypic traits were seen as correlates to race rather than definors.

The way Brazilians, the US, and other New WOrld countrie use race to describe broad phenotypic categories is a pseudo-scientific interpretation of categories recognized in the social/scientific dynamic of the rapid colonization of the New World countries by diverse populations from all over the world.
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Old 03-13-2017, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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In the English speaking countries they define race different to be honest I find their definition quite "racist" if you call someone white in Brazil it is because they look white, in the USA and other Anglo countries according to rednecks white means absent of "contamination"(non-white). In the English speaking world historically there was a huge effort to keep the "races" separate so that the "purity" of the white race wouldn't be contaminated. The whole vocabulary is loaded.
As the US becomes more racially diverse, the 'purity requirement' for being considered white is diminishing rapidly outside a few hardcore racialist ideologues. Even Mexicans and other Latin Americans with identifiably indigenous features are considered white by many if they otherwise have a plurality of European heritage.
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Old 03-13-2017, 01:51 PM
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As the US becomes more racially diverse, the 'purity requirement' for being considered white is diminishing rapidly outside a few hardcore racialist ideologues. Even Mexicans and other Latin Americans with identifiably indigenous features are considered white by many if they otherwise have a plurality of European heritage.

It depends on the part of the country in California my relatives with one Mexican grandparent are considered white in Minnesota where they have some family they are not considered white. The middle of the country and parts of the south are quite backwards.
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Old 03-13-2017, 03:23 PM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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The traditional European definition of 'race' followed ethnic and national lines, where it could be used to describe such groupings as, 'the German race', 'the British race', 'the Indian race', etc. or even by religion as in, 'the Jewish race', or 'the Muslim race', because the term was largely cultural or tribal and phenotypic traits were seen as correlates to race rather than definors.

The way Brazilians, the US, and other New WOrld countrie use race to describe broad phenotypic categories is a pseudo-scientific interpretation of categories recognized in the social/scientific dynamic of the rapid colonization of the New World countries by diverse populations from all over the world.
So, in Europe the word "race" is almost the same of "ethnicity"...
I read many books of esoteric literature - Blavatsky, Max Heindel, Rudolf Steiner, etc. - and they use the word "race" very often, but in fact really they appear to mean a both blood lineage and cultural traits. Nothing to do with the concept of "race" in Americas. I never understood, for example, why jews would be a "race" at all...

Then again, another question: does this word carries a negative meaning in Europe nowadays?
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Old 03-14-2017, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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So, in Europe the word "race" is almost the same of "ethnicity"...
I read many books of esoteric literature - Blavatsky, Max Heindel, Rudolf Steiner, etc. - and they use the word "race" very often, but in fact really they appear to mean a both blood lineage and cultural traits. Nothing to do with the concept of "race" in Americas. I never understood, for example, why jews would be a "race" at all...

Then again, another question: does this word carries a negative meaning in Europe nowadays?
That is because the two, lineage and ethnicity, we very highly correlated. Since the 20th century this has become less and less the case.

It should be noted that despite resistance and protestation to the contrary, the New World definition of race is becoming increasingly common in Europe as their countries become more genetically diverse.
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Old 03-14-2017, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Then again, another question: does this word carries a negative meaning in Europe nowadays?
"Rasse" is solely used by neo-nazis and zoologists.
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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So, in Europe the word "race" is almost the same of "ethnicity"...
I read many books of esoteric literature - Blavatsky, Max Heindel, Rudolf Steiner, etc. - and they use the word "race" very often, but in fact really they appear to mean a both blood lineage and cultural traits. Nothing to do with the concept of "race" in Americas. I never understood, for example, why jews would be a "race" at all...

Then again, another question: does this word carries a negative meaning in Europe nowadays?



All nationalist parties have a "racist" component that now is somewhat folklorical as people are more mixed and travel more.
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:50 AM
 
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Greeks are very different people to the Dutch. These two groups won't feel connected with each other just because both are Caucasian.

There are major differences in language, culture and overall mindset.

I think it's only America that overlooks ethnocultural identities and instead sorts groups into very simple racial categories (e.g. white, black).

The obsession Americans have with race still confuses me. I don't see races as homgenous groups.
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