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This is what baygirl either doesn't understand or doesn't want to acknowledge. I'm not saying there aren't AAs who don't have sour grapes and are just upset others are doing better than them, but they are not the majority. Our people have always made a way out of no way and we did it well before they started letting black immigrants come here in large numbers. The thing is, the dominant class doesn't need your (this is a general "your") help to do what they've always done, which is be oppressors. So yea, it's going to pi$$ AAs off when black immigrants disrespect the people who made it possible for them to come here without being filthy rich. Even today, they are not giving poor people passes to come here. Black immigrants like to pretend they've somehow beat the odds where AAs can't when the truth is, most of you come from at least a middle class background in your home country. All of us are not ignorant about immigration issues.
As I said, we're not worried about you--we just don't like your unjustified elitist attitude. Our problem is and always has been the supremacist mindset of the dominant class. They sent us to Oklahoma, wouldn't let us participate in their society so we made our own and thrived. Then they bombed it because their poor people were jealous and couldn't stand seeing people they viewed as "less than" them doing better. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Welcome to America.
Oh yea I forgot to respond to someone way back who mentioned how we get African media here. Uumm...no we don't. Maybe if you live in an area with Africans you might have a local channel, but I want you to name African-produced media on a major station. Those "Save the World" infomercials don't count. That is not created or produced by Africans.
From this point on, I'll be referring to AAs as ADOS. In good conscious, referring to us as AAs is inaccurate since Africa isn't a country specifying our various African ethnic makeup, honoring our lineage, national and cultural differences, and other various ethnic makeup to name a few. The Olympic level of contortionism many tribal Africans have in refusing to admit their role in the mess they helped create while being messy towards us, laterally expecting us to be solely responsible for the mess, then asking us to support black immigration is contradictory. Their entitled and elitist mindset is rife with too many logical fallacies, irrational reasoning, and headache-inducing contradictions blatantly ignorant of Black American History. And still, they don't have the same energy towards their oppressors.
I agree with those ADOS having "sour grapes" towards Africans for doing better being in the minority, but Africans are dishonest insinuating it's the majority of us doing it. Our people are making a way out of no way is ingrained in us, and we are using our Civil Rights movement inherited from our ancestors and elders to pick up the mantle once more. That means we are not willing participants supporting our economic genocide and erasure. They hate to see it.
They haven't beaten the odds when they have no control over their own resources on the richest continent in the world. They haven't beaten the odds when they have to leave their countries for better opportunities. They haven't beaten the odds when they have an unexplained hatred towards ADOS, lying about black unity, while passive-aggressively demanding support for black immigration.
In fact most African Americans were NEVER into Pan Africanism. Most have always had difficulties in comprehending blacks from elsewhere in the Diaspora. Most cannot see beyond their own issues based on life in the USA. And that is fine as people will always act out of self interest.
The noisy minority of intellectual AAs who peddle the Pan Africanist myth need to stop. Bring an AA from a city like St. Louis (monolithically AA and mostly Southern derived) to places like NYC and the tremendous variety and perspectives of its ethnically diverse black populations confuse. They understand beng a St. Louis black. Being a NYC black they don't comprehend. And they haven't even journeyed to Lagos yet!!
I stand correcting in my error of writing some in regards to ADOS supporting Pan Africanism. In 2019, ADOS no longer has a lack of knowledge of Blacks being from other parts of the Diaspora since they've broadened their experiences. And ADOS issues in the U.S. are now focused on their primary concern. No other group is expected to see beyond their own life as it pertains to being self-interested, except ADOS. The era of ADOS being mules is dying out. ADOS ancestors built America into a superpower and started the Civil Rights movement, and undoubtedly, our interests will come first moving forward. In the book entitled, "The Half Has Never Been Told: Slavery and the Making of American Capitalism" by Edward E. Baptist recounts America's wealth and economy, infrastructure, and rise as a superpower was built through slavery. America being the land of opportunity comes with a price. The problem arises when those in direct opposition to the ADOS movement have a problem with boundaries set for them.
Those supporting Pan Africanism, Black Liberation, Garveyism, African Diaspora unity, etc, are rooted in the same we all black and we are all in this together mindset and all need to die quickly.
Unifying factors connecting ADOS despite geographic differences are made up of shared lineage and roots in America. There is a kinship, Qs problematic as it can be at times.
Even though journeying to Lagos is not a place of interest for me to visit, unless I'm going with my family friend who is half-ADOS/half-Igbo and has been back numerous times. For that well-adjusted individual, who not only has been a true ally and loyal family friend since childhood, I'd only visit with that person.
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Of course we didn't fight for immigration. We're not immigrants. Do you check dates??? The immigration laws were updated in conjunction with the civil rights legislation under the guise of fairness for all, when they really just wanted to legally bar AAs from reaping the benefits of the legislation...like they always do. You don't know the history of this country or the legal games it plays to keep us from prospering.
Immigration is the issue they want ADOS to fight for. These three groups of people are classified in America as Native Americans, ADOS, and immigrants. To your point of immigration, this video speaks volumes, especially the comment on immigration @ 1:25:43.
Don't know if folks know this but these ADOS stooges are tools being used by Trump and his cohort to have blacks fighting amongst themselves. Yes there are class tensions among blacks but I am not aware that AA elites are any more charitable in their opinions of the black masses than are those of black immigrant stock. I challenge a NYCHA resident to attempt to attend those lavish black galas if one doubts. Were those elite colleges where the paper bag test was used until the 60s set up by black immigrants? No!
The issue is that blacks are a diverse group. Divided by ethnicity, nationality, geography, heritage and definitely socio economic status. There is no "We are all One" here. The best that we can do is to listen to each other and to empathize with each other!
Yes many RECENT black immigrants are ignorant of the black struggle that native blacks and earlier waves of black immigrants had to endure. But also many black Americans are also ignorant of the struggles that black immigrants must undergo upon migrating to the USA, or even why so many chose to migrate in the first place.
Reliable intelligence sources state that this ADOS ideology was injected into the U.S. body politic as one of
the many attempts to divide Americans and Blacks against one another as part of the Russian ( who are also
White Supremacists ) dis-information campaign.
Don't know if folks know this but these ADOS stooges are tools being used by Trump and his cohort to have blacks fighting amongst themselves. Yes there are class tensions among blacks but I am not aware that AA elites are any more charitable in their opinions of the black masses than are those of black immigrant stock. I challenge a NYCHA resident to attempt to attend those lavish black galas if one doubts. Were those elite colleges where the paper bag test was used until the 60s set up by black immigrants? No!
The issue is that blacks are a diverse group. Divided by ethnicity, nationality, geography, heritage and definitely socio economic status. There is no "We are all One" here. The best that we can do is to listen to each other and to empathize with each other!
Yes many RECENT black immigrants are ignorant of the black struggle that native blacks and earlier waves of black immigrants had to endure. But also many black Americans are also ignorant of the struggles that black immigrants must undergo upon migrating to the USA, or even why so many chose to migrate in the first place.
This is a bold-faced smear created by Joy without any shred of proof debunking ADOS platform. No one, literally no one has debunked ADOS as being Russian and backed by Trump. The Democrats love using their bootlicking surrogates to smear ADOS while demanding our votes in order to maintain the status quo. They are as bad as the Republicans they accuse of taking ADOS backward. Trump and Russians are not behind the ADOS movement, and there's absolutely no proof supporting the smear. The Dems will lose elections and will have no one to blame but themselves. The new smear is a preventive action to blame ADOS for losing elections instead of directly addressing the issues of their most loyal voting base that have led voted for them in every election. The Democrats have turned on ADOS like a pack of wild hyenas. They're responsible for losing to Trump. As far as I'm concerned, they can lose their seats from no until Kingdom come until they give us what they owe ADOS. Period.
Reliable intelligence sources state that this ADOS ideology was injected into the U.S. body politic as one of
the many attempts to divide Americans and Blacks against one another as part of the Russian ( who are also
White Supremacists ) dis-information campaign.
There is absolutely no proof validating or lending any semblance of credibility debunking ADOS ideology, otherwise, it would of been posted. There isn't a shred of evidence supporting this claim. America was always divided, and Americans know this. We aren't on the outside looking in and commenting on things we have no experience with. Blaming Russian is such a lazy minded diversion tactic to avoid addressing ADOS concerns by holding Democrats accountable to the largest and loyal voting block. The more people call us Russians, the worse it's going to be politically for the Democrats. This is why they're pursuing the Hispanic vote. Anyone who has experience with American politics knows how the game is being played.
I wouldn't be so sure that there was no dialogue between CARICOM and the Congressional Black Caucus. they do dialogue quite a bit if you don't know this.
If dialogue occurred between CARICOM and the CBC, then we'd know about it since the CBC loves that kind of media attention. They wouldn't be smearing ADOS with being Russians, bots, and being backed by Trump. They need to be voted out.
and of course 35 million blacks living in the USA are at least partially descendants of American slavery so those numbers that you cite aren't really that significant. It wouldn't shock me if more live in Europe, as you do.
You're probably right on more living to Europe. A number of African Americans come to Europe to study or come here because they are stationed in the army. In both cases sometimes people end up staying long term (some get married) and get citizenship. Obviously Europe has a higher standard of living, so there's that.
In fact most African Americans were NEVER into Pan Africanism. Most have always had difficulties in comprehending blacks from elsewhere in the Diaspora. Most cannot see beyond their own issues based on life in the USA. And that is fine as people will always act out of self interest.
The noisy minority of intellectual AAs who peddle the Pan Africanist myth need to stop. Bring an AA from a city like St. Louis (monolithically AA and mostly Southern derived) to places like NYC and the tremendous variety and perspectives of its ethnically diverse black populations confuse. They understand beng a St. Louis black. Being a NYC black they don't comprehend. And they haven't even journeyed to Lagos yet!!
This was 100 percent true of older generations of Southern Blacks. But a number of Southern cities like Atlanta and Miami do indeed get Black immigrants. Even in the deep South, enough immigrants have dispersed that younger people have often had at least superficial contact with Africans, Afro Latinos, or West Indians.
But yes, in the 80s there still would have been people whose brain shattered among meeting an English speaking West Indian or Anglophone Africa, and their brains would have exploded upon meeting Blacks who did not come from English speaking countries (Francophone, Portuguese, Spanish, Swahili, or Arabic speaking countries). Not to mention having to deal with the concept of Native African language. But that had more to do with the marginalisation and isolation of a good percentage of AAs from the real world. In those days an African American SOLDIER was a very worldly person as they were the only AAs with real travel and international experience.
Don't know if folks know this but these ADOS stooges are tools being used by Trump and his cohort to have blacks fighting amongst themselves. Yes there are class tensions among blacks but I am not aware that AA elites are any more charitable in their opinions of the black masses than are those of black immigrant stock. I challenge a NYCHA resident to attempt to attend those lavish black galas if one doubts. Were those elite colleges where the paper bag test was used until the 60s set up by black immigrants? No!
The issue is that blacks are a diverse group. Divided by ethnicity, nationality, geography, heritage and definitely socio economic status. There is no "We are all One" here. The best that we can do is to listen to each other and to empathize with each other!
Yes many RECENT black immigrants are ignorant of the black struggle that native blacks and earlier waves of black immigrants had to endure. But also many black Americans are also ignorant of the struggles that black immigrants must undergo upon migrating to the USA, or even why so many chose to migrate in the first place.
Good points. Howard University was founded originally for COLORED people which in those days meant mixed race. It was where white men sent their mixed race children they had with their maids/slaves/concubines.
If one looks at many of the educated civil rights leaders, they were quite clearly mixed to the point where it was hard to identify some of them as Black. Adam Clayton Powell was nearly white. Rosa Parks was ALMOST so.
The early educated class of Blacks benefited from white fathers or grandfathers or whatever who at some point were willing to give their mixed race children/descendants money or help. It was not EQUAL to what the white children got, thus many of them had to fight for equality as they did.
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Do you check dates??? The immigration laws were updated in conjunction with the civil rights legislation under the guise of fairness for all, when they really just wanted to legally bar AAs from reaping the benefits of the legislation...like they always do. You don't know the history of this country or the legal games it plays to keep us from prospering.
