Alaskan Politics (statewide and nationwide) (dates, religion, facts)

[Metlakatla]

Excuse me, Ray. The issue, to me, is your queen's obvious problem with African American Alaskans, not Obama's personal life.

[Metlakatla]

That's all he had to do to end the questions, and the lawsuit against him.

Berg's silly lawsuit against him was dismissed but I imagine they didn't mention that on Michael Savage's site.

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by notreesininceland

RayinAK,

Let me say it at the outset: I am not trying to convince you of ANYTHING. But I have some questions:

How is his brother living in the slums of Africa a negative mark against Obama? Is he responsible for his brother's karma? And if yes, is John McCain responsible for his brother Joe calling 911 for a traffic jam the other day and shouting obscenities at the operator?

Similar questions about aunt. Unless you can show that Obama directly intervened, encouraged and helped his aunt break the laws of the United States, you have no case.

It is perplexing that you have no similar misgivings about McCain's desertion of his first wife (note - as far as I am concerned that is a personal matter), his cosy relations with Charles Keating, the contributions made to Rashid Khalidi by an organization that McCain chairs. You seem to be a very objective fellow when it comes to Obama but that skill seems to strangely desert you when it is McCain's turn to be scrutinized.

I agree with you that his brother living in the slums in Africa may not be his fault, but when he speaks of, "I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper," while having family member living in such poor conditions, I can't help it but to think negatively of him.

About his aunt: none of us knows the truth of the dealings in the background, if any. However, the truth we know is what is presented to us by the news, which is that she is his aunt, that she lives in a poor neighborhood in Boston, and that she is not a legal alien. But when I think about my own family, I cannot believe that I would not know one of my aunts from Africa is living in the US, specially if every now and then I take a trip to Africa to visit my family members.

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by Metlakatla

Excuse me, Ray. The issue, to me, is your queen's obvious problem with African American Alaskans, not Obama's personal life.

What issue? The ones written by some folks who oppose Palin? There are lots of African-Americans in Alaska who have no problems with Palin. Some work with me, although they (my coworkers) don't like being called "African-Americans." These folks will vote for Obama, but like her, and voted for Palin before. My wife's friend in Anchorage is black, and she is voting for Palin. She told my wife that since Alaska is not going to switch to Obama, she can very well vote for Palin.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

Lets say that the birth certificate is real. In that case he could have said: "I was born in Hawaii, and can provided my birth certificate to any agency or legal group for examination." What seemed strange to me was his trip to Hawaii because of his dying grandmother, which seems to indicate that grandmother was not the issue, but his birth certificate.

That's all he had to do to end the questions, and the lawsuit against him.

He did exactly that. It didn't end the "questions", as your post shows rather well. (The lawsuit was thrown out long ago.)

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

This waiting period just reinforces what I found lacking or strange about the candidate I am not voting for. For example:

1. Obama's trip to Hawaii to visit his dying grandmother and the sealing of his birth certificate

2. His brother living in the slums in Africa

3. His aunt, an illegal immigrant in Boston, living in poor conditions

4. His "Wealth distribution" ideas, which reinforces his socialist communist tendencies

5. His "tax people earning $250K," later changed to $150K by Biden, and also to $200K by another politician

6. His ties with ACORN, Resko, and Ayers
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The one I oppose the most is his "wealth distribution" plan, because that's pure communism, which I lived in the country I was born at.

Do you have any issues with him that are real? Fabricated statements like "that's pure communism" don' t get it Ray.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

I agree with you that his brother living in the slums in Africa may not be his fault, but when he speaks of, "I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper," while having family member living in such poor conditions, I can't help it but to think negatively of him.

About his aunt: none of us knows the truth of the dealings in the background, if any. However, the truth we know is what is presented to us by the news, which is that she is his aunt, that she lives in a poor neighborhood in Boston, and that she is not a legal alien. But when I think about my own family, I cannot believe that I would not know one of my aunts from Africa is living in the US, specially if every now and then I take a trip to Africa to visit my family members.

Especially if he mentioned her in his book?

Nita

[DreamChasers8]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

Of course, the problem here is that CC is actually quite right about that.

Look at what both nmnita and DreamChasers8 have actually said! Like a lot of "conservatives", they vote for Bush, McCain, Murkowski, Palin, or whoever; and then a few years later when it is clear to virtually everyone that the incumbant was incompetant, they don't want to admit who they supported before, call for "change", and support/vote for someone else who is equally incompetant!

Voters should stop listening for ideological sound bites, and start looking for candidates who can actually solve problems.

Hey Floyd, look at my post again, I had no problem admitting that I voted for Bush. But no one is perfect nor can anyone predict the future.
As far as Obama or McCain that's a bit different, like all americans we can vote for anyone based on anything. For me even though I have said time and again that I like some of both canidate's policies, I could never vote for someone who would allow partial birth abortions. The right to life is a very important issue. Again I hope whoever makes it into the White House for the next 4 years will clean things up and do what's right, and should also receive our support.

[notreesininceland]

Daily Kos: Palin Pranked

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

Do you have any issues with him that are real? Fabricated statements like "that's pure communism" don' t get it Ray.

"Wealth redistribution," as he spoke of in 2001 is in fact based on communism.

As I mentioned before, waiting until Tuesday to vote reinforces the issues against all candidates. For example, some the people Obama associated with in the past were anti-capitalist, and at least one was a member of the Communist Party US (his mentor who died in 1987). When Obama talks about wealth redistribution (2001), and "spreading the wealth around" (recently), that only emphasizes my points.

If Obama wins, then I can only hope that he will be good for the USA, and the same I can say about McCain. As a former military member, some of my commander in chiefs were Democrat, while others were Republican. Whoever wins is the one I support.