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Originally Posted by ckhthankgod
I have a question, if the one drop rule, which is really an incorrect term to begin with, offered different results, would you still be against it? What I guess I'm really asking is that if mixed people were instead viewed socio-historically(a key term) as White, would there be as much apprehension as we see now? I think this is something that I think people should think about and may actually push the conversation to a level which it hardly gets to and that is supremacy/purity, as well as the difference in that regard between different groups. In my opinion, the so called one drop rule has a different response depending on who to talk to. What I'm trying to say is that when you look at things from a socio-historical perspective, for Black people in this country, being a person of at least substantial Black African descent brings about a social reality within the general society. In turn, instead of historically running away from it, generally speaking, Black people in this country have embraced that reality to form a unique group of people, that outside of Native Americans, are more American than any other group in this country, given the volume of people with long time roots. So, the Black reaction is not an acceptance of White racist ideas/Black inferiority, but I believe an embracing of people of at least substantial, similar descent formed out of social realities.
I've heard a man say that Black people aren't dark skinned White people. I believe this case, this a good example of what he means due to what I previously stated.
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For starters,*I suggest you look at this:
Legal History of the Color Line: The Rise and Triumph of the One-Drop Rule:Amazon:Books
I also suggest you look at and read this on myths across the color line:
Essays on the U.S. Color Line » Blog Archive » Myths Across the Color Line
And then this:
Legal History of the Color Line: The Rise and Triumph of the One-Drop Rule:Amazon:Books
The one drop rule was also used against Native Americans and people of Native American descent as well. The one drop rule imposed and used against Native Americans was not as strong as the one drop rule regulations used against people of African descent.*
What I guess I'm really asking is that if mixed people were instead viewed socio-historically(a key term) as White, would there be as much apprehension as we see now?
Well that's why it's important for people to actually know the facts of history. Plenty of known mixed folks were openly embraced and regarded as whites by the white communities. One drop rule was imposed between 1931 and 1967. Many people who were mixed were accepted as white, even when many whites knew that that person was mixed.*
The Civil Rights movement was an equality seeking and very anti one droppist movement.*
Mulatto and other separate mixed race categories were legally recognized continuously until the 1930 census. After 1930 mulatto and other mixed race categories were not used on the censuses or recognized and one drop rule was put in place in many Southern states. And in states like Ohio and even Oklahoma, someone like Obama would have been legally regarded and recognized as a WHITE man. After 1967 landmark case of Loving Vs Virginia, one drop rule was declared illegal and the mixed race consciousness and heritage of the USA was restored.
*And that's the problem. Reject the one drop rule. I support the right of people to choose how they identify, but I do not support anyone's defense of the racist one drop rule or hypodescent.
That depends. What exactly do you define as "at least substantial *Black African descent" how much, what quantrum or percentage?*
I think you are conflating perceptions of terms and pattern trends and parameters for identities and ones right to personal identity choice. I support all forms and modes of identity including mixed ones but I do not agree with support or defense of the one drop rule.
*I agree that ppl should be aware of racism and discrimination and how one being vigilant of how people discriminate people based on their race, and on skin color and ways to challenge bigotry and hate and rise above it. I think thar most people are aware of such. My point is that people should respect how one identifies, and also that ones choice to identify as mixed (if said mixture includes and/or is mixed with part black) is not to reject black ancestry or African ancestry. It's just embracing more than one at the same time. Afrodescendant and black do NOT mean the same thing. Afrodescendant includes blacks but blacks does NOT include all Afrodescendants and Afrodescendants of mixed ancestry. IJS.
Also*keep in mind that "Afrodescendant" is hardly one droppist. It just recognizes that one has that ancestry.
And that's the point. One should be able to embrace fellow others without supporting or adhering to one dropping and one drop ruling others
I don't get what you mean about black people being dark skinned white people although that could be a valid analogy and then flipped to say that white people are light skinned black people. Oxymoronic terms yet interesting analogies nonetheless.
Blacks and whites are pretty much alike and are like the inverses of each other.*
And also keep in mind that blacks and whites are NOT the only races of people or race mixtures around. Just saying.
I think people also need to continue to fight and challenge white supremacy. In addition I think ppl of color need to challenge whites to continue to stress and acknowledge equality and equal rights and to also respect peoples identities.
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