Organized Atheism and its Sexism problem (atheist, verse, religion, Islam)
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The atheist on these forums do not represent the whole. When all else fails IRL, the internet is all some have.
The atheists on the forum listen to the whole - we do not claim to be originators of the thing. The same error was made about the FAQ - we (here) did not invent it; we wrote down what - so far as we know - is what atheism is and the rationale of atheism in general, and the questions raised about it. What was the point you were trying to make anyway?
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Originally Posted by cb2008
Dont attack religion by singling out one, like Islam. That is how you draw the line. By doing that you ARE, ignorance is not innocence, endangering muslims who are just like you, who want just what you want, to live your life, earn your money, and take care of your family, and do all that in safety. That is where free speech stops.
Free speech is never about hate mongering. It is about you freedom to speak truth to power, to criticize government action.
That is a mistake. Religions may all me man -made and false (in the atheist view) but they are not all as much of a problem. If you can't see that religious fundamentalism is a problem where Jain or Parsee isn't and Islam is particularly prone to seeing violence as a first rather than last resort, I suggest you get (as Arach might say, 'Hip'. As much as if you think 'free Speech is Only about waving placards at givernments. That's just One part of it.
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The atheists on the forum listen to the whole - we do not claim to be originators of the thing. The same error was made about the FAQ - we (here) did not invent it; we wrote down what - so far as we know - is what atheism is and the rationale of atheism in general, and the questions raised about it. What was the point you were trying to make anyway?
The "we" is a major problem...it's an echo chamber of back-slapping by jury of our own peers...of course they are going to agree.
Unfortunately, many Americans (and I suppose most people everywhere) tend to look at most things as binary. Good or bad. Right or wrong. The real choices are a spectrum.
They are.
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Originally Posted by gabfest
The "we" is a major problem...it's an echo chamber of back-slapping by jury of our own peers...of course they are going to agree.
When you re -appeared, I thought 'That's a lot better'. But it looks like you haven't changed and are falling back into your anti -atheist rote.
'We' refers to the atheists on the boards, those who wrote the FAQ (1), atheism as a whole. What's your problem with that? What is this constant accusation that I am claiming to be some kind of spokeperson for atheism? I am arguing the rationale and thinking of atheism so far as I know it and understand it. If I put my own views, I'll make it clear they are my own, or so I hope.
(1) I don't think I had much part in that anyway. I believe it was mostly Mordant.
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When you re -appeared, I thought 'That's a lot better'. But it looks like you haven't changed and are falling back into your anti -atheist rote.
'We' refers to the atheist on the boards, those who write the FAQ, atheism as a whole. What's your problem with that? What is this constant accusation that I am claiming to be some kind of spokeperson for atheism? I am arguing the rationale and thinking of atheism so far as I know it and understand it. If I put my own views, I'll make it clear they are my own, or so I hope.
You are the one who reverts to "we" in order to make your points. I do not refer to 'we' because we wasn't there at birth and I am pretty sure 'we' will not be there at death. So, I have no need for a unified we.
yeah, I hear ya ... but its true. How would a white pride site be received. Even if using the exact same statements as a black pride site.
BTW ... there is an acceptable answer for me. As the reason I would never create one.
I had started a response to your post but decided not to. I am guessing with this post of yours my reply most likely fit with an acceptable answer to a degree.
For the same reason there is no good reason for a Straight Pride Parade.
That is a mistake. Religions may all me man -made and false (in the atheist view) but they are not all as much of a problem. If you can't see that religious fundamentalism is a problem where Jain or Parsee isn't and Islam is particularly prone to seeing violence as a first rather than last resort, I suggest you get (as Arach might say, 'Hip'. As much as if you think 'free Speech is Only about waving placards at givernments. That's just One part of it.
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Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment include obscenity (as determined by the Miller test), fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct,[15] speech that incites imminent lawless action, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising.[16][17] Within these limited areas, other limitations on free speech balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as rights for authors over their works (copyright), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons, restrictions on the use of untruths to harm others (slander and libel), and communications while a person is in prison. When a speech restriction is challenged in court, it is presumed invalid and the government bears the burden of convincing the court that the restriction is constitutional.[18]
Your opinion about Islam, as ignorant and biased as it is, is still just your opinion. It is not fact or truth, it is in fact a lie. And there are restrictions to the First Amendments per US law which is applicable to CD, to this forum. So there is no absolute right to free speech.
I had started a response to your post but decided not to. I am guessing with this post of yours my reply most likely fit with an acceptable answer to a degree.
For the same reason there is no good reason for a Straight Pride Parade.
Didn't someone try and have one of these and all that showed up were a bunch of white guys that were all virgins anyway?
The "we" is a major problem...it's an echo chamber of back-slapping by jury of our own peers...of course they are going to agree.
They disagree with me all the time - look at me and Harry D. always in disagreement about the NT. Late 8 was calling me up on the Sex thing. And she done well and I think talking it out we understand each other better. Always better to talk, but both sides need to listen, not find nit picks like 'does the We make you some kind of authority?' No it doesn't. Where Does that idea come from? I post a lot but that doesn't make me some kind of atheist Teacher of the Law. Mind, I ain't an atheist Noob as Julian seemed to suggest
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When you re -appeared, I thought 'That's a lot better'. But it looks like you haven't changed and are falling back into your anti -atheist rote.
They disagree with me all the time - look at me and Harry D. always in disagreement about the NT. Late 8 was calling me up on the Sex thing. And she done well and I think talking it out we understand each other better. Always better to talk, but both sides need to listen, not find nit picks like 'does the We make you some kind of authority?' No it doesn't. Where Does that idea come from? I post a lot but that doesn't make me some kind of atheist Teacher of the Law. Mind, I ain't an atheist Noob as Julian seemed to suggest 
