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Old 03-20-2017, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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I think a far more suitable example to examine would be Toronto, who uses a layered system of light rail / streetcar over heavy rail to generate incredible ridership for the size of the system.

That is basically what we're attempting to do here in the city: create a core network of streetcars and light rail that overlays the heavy rail backbone.


DART has solid reach, and there's no doubt that their rider-per mile value is where it is not because of that, but the speed is just not there for the size of the system.
Toronto has HRT, Streetcar, LRT, buses, and Commuter Rail. It has just as bad sprawl as any US city.
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Toronto has HRT, Streetcar, LRT, buses, and Commuter Rail. It has just as bad sprawl as any US city.
Yes, it sprawls like crazy - but it's dense sprawl that we really don't have here. New SFH lots in the burbs are tiny, and there are highrise apartments and condos many miles from the core.

They have a pretty impressive system, and they are about to start electrification of their commuter rail network.

The TTC City System:
https://www.ttc.ca/Routes/General_In...Maps/index.jsp

GO Transit Commuter Rail:
GO Transit - System Map

If only Georgia were as willing to pay for transit as Ontario is....
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Yes, it sprawls like crazy - but it's dense sprawl that we really don't have here. New SFH lots in the burbs are tiny, and there are highrise apartments and condos many miles from the core.

They have a pretty impressive system, and they are about to start electrification of their commuter rail network.

The TTC City System:
https://www.ttc.ca/Routes/General_In...Maps/index.jsp

GO Transit Commuter Rail:
GO Transit - System Map

If only Georgia were as willing to pay for transit as Ontario is....
Atlanta metro could even have layered transit just like Toronto, where MARTA operates the core transit(TTC) and GRTA operates the exurban transit (GO Commuter Rail and Express buses)
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Atlanta metro could even have layered transit just like Toronto, where MARTA operates the core transit(TTC) and GRTA operates the exurban transit (GO Commuter Rail and Express buses)
That's what I've been preaching for the longest, CQ.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:38 PM
 
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Atlanta metro could even have layered transit just like Toronto, where MARTA operates the core transit(TTC) and GRTA operates the exurban transit (GO Commuter Rail and Express buses)
Toronto has one heckuva bus fleet.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Toronto has one heckuva bus fleet.
And streetcar system
https://www.ttc.ca/PDF/Maps/TTC_Stre...etwork_map.pdf
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Atlanta metro could even have layered transit just like Toronto, where MARTA operates the core transit(TTC) and GRTA operates the exurban transit (GO Commuter Rail and Express buses)
Makes total sense, and I would love that for here.
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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That's exactly what we'd have now, if Cobb and Gwinnett joined MARTA, which might even happen by the end of 2020.

Hopefully that will be how things turn out.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:38 PM
 
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They went to Texas to get some transit ideas? They could have went to NJ, NoVa, Chicago, or even the Philadelphia area. That's like going to the Dominican Republic & Cuba to scout great soccer players then heading to Brazil and Argentina to find elite baseball talent.
Or if someone wanted ideas about how to build a casino and they go to Dover Downs instead of going to Vegas
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Except that it has significantly lower ridership than MARTA rail, has significantly lower ridership per mile than MARTA rail, and is slower than MARTA rail.
Is the commuter rail lines (TRE & A Train) in DFW slower than MARTA? I'm curious about the difference in speed there.

Also, the light rail trains are in dedicated spaces and probably go 55 to 60 mph once you get out of downtown Dallas with many sections being elevated and there's roughly 3-4 miles of subway. The light rail system is different than the Dallas Streetcar which goes much slower like the Atlanta Streetcar does. Houston's "light rail" is set up more like a streetcar system than DART light rail is in Dallas.
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