04-17-2013, 01:53 PM
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I've never understood why people obsessing over that section never address the real answer--imminent domain of the Taco Shack and service station in the north and a portion of Dirty's, Whataburger, and the building with Magic Wok on the south.
Because it both increases the cost and slows down the project tremendously (a price is offered, the landowner responds with a price 10X, cue lawsuits, etc.)
04-17-2013, 02:57 PM
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None of which seem to be online (or even mention of them having been done). And with no one even willing to go on record attesting to their contents or existence.
While I have linked to an "expert" (at least referred to as such by the Statesman) who does go on record claiming that removing 3 of the lanes was necessary.
I've emailed Hamilton Associates asking for a copy of the study, and will work on the others.
You specifically noted "the 2000 data" when making your claim about closing 3 of 4 lanes. I have the following:
"I do have with me the Initial Analysis Report — Executive Summary, performed by PB for CMTA, report dated 7 Aug. 2000 (hardcopy only). This is not the full engineering study, but it does provide details of alignment options under consideration for the measure that was presented to voters in Nov. 2000.
The Executive Summary does give some information on what engineers proposed for the alignment segments in question — i.e., railroad ROW at Airport, down Lamar then Guadalupe (and Nueces or San Antonio) to MLK.
• Airport to Koenig — "Because of projected traffic demands, the City of Austin plans to widen Lamar in this section, allowing for the incorporation of the at-grade [LRT] alignment within widening plans."
• Koenig to 29th St. — "property may need to be acquired along the entire line length, most probably along the west side of Guadalupe Street. It may also be possible to remove parking and narrow sidewalks to avoid property acquisition except for areas immediately adjacent to stations."
• 29th St. to MLK — Several options were considered. The one adhering most closely to the Guadalupe alignment proposed placing N-bound track on Guadalupe and S-bound track on Nueces, then San Antonio, presumably at 24th St.
In my view, San Antonio is a poor choice; somehow transitioning to either Guadalupe or into the continuation of Nueces would be preferable. In fact, widening Guadalupe in the stretch from 29th to 24th is not out of the question. OR reducing general traffic to 2 lanes. Or interlaced track (permitting one-directional operation at a time) in this relatively short section.
Lyndon"
Lyndon made the comments above, and the ones I posted earlier.
This is Lyndon -
Lyndon Henry | Railway Age
Austin LRT plan criticized ... by rail advocates | Railway Age
Does that count as an expert going "on record attesting to their contents or existence."?
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04-17-2013, 03:57 PM
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I've emailed Hamilton Associates asking for a copy of the study, and will work on the others.
You specifically noted "the 2000 data" when making your claim about closing 3 of 4 lanes. I have the following:
"I do have with me the Initial Analysis Report — Executive Summary, performed by PB for CMTA, report dated 7 Aug. 2000 (hardcopy only). This is not the full engineering study, but it does provide details of alignment options under consideration for the measure that was presented to voters in Nov. 2000.
The Executive Summary does give some information on what engineers proposed for the alignment segments in question — i.e., railroad ROW at Airport, down Lamar then Guadalupe (and Nueces or San Antonio) to MLK.
• Airport to Koenig — "Because of projected traffic demands, the City of Austin plans to widen Lamar in this section, allowing for the incorporation of the at-grade [LRT] alignment within widening plans."
• Koenig to 29th St. — "property may need to be acquired along the entire line length, most probably along the west side of Guadalupe Street. It may also be possible to remove parking and narrow sidewalks to avoid property acquisition except for areas immediately adjacent to stations."
• 29th St. to MLK — Several options were considered. The one adhering most closely to the Guadalupe alignment proposed placing N-bound track on Guadalupe and S-bound track on Nueces, then San Antonio, presumably at 24th St.
In my view, San Antonio is a poor choice; somehow transitioning to either Guadalupe or into the continuation of Nueces would be preferable. In fact, widening Guadalupe in the stretch from 29th to 24th is not out of the question. OR reducing general traffic to 2 lanes. Or interlaced track (permitting one-directional operation at a time) in this relatively short section.
Lyndon"
Lyndon made the comments above, and the ones I posted earlier.
This is Lyndon -
Lyndon Henry | Railway Age
Austin LRT plan criticized ... by rail advocates | Railway Age
Does that count as an expert going "on record attesting to their contents or existence."?
Thank you.
As I said, I certainly don't claim to have been involved in the design process, but the only person who claims to have been has stated multiple times that the 3/4 reduction was not only the chosen option, but the only option.
I will question, however, if things were really this much in flux and doubt (not knowing the alignment, not knowing if property would need to be acquired or not) at the actual time of the vote in November. It seems that would be something you'd need to know (if you were spending millions to acquire property) before putting a project with a pricetag in front of voters.
I'm also not sure where all the parking that could be removed along Guadalupe/Lamar from 29th to Koenig is.
04-17-2013, 05:41 PM
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Because it both increases the cost and slows down the project tremendously (a price is offered, the landowner responds with a price 10X, cue lawsuits, etc.)
If it was three lots it wouldn't slow down anything. They could have them condemned and in a matter of months.
Imagine the process by which Californian has to go through to build HSR from SF to LA - that will take years of efforts.
04-17-2013, 06:00 PM
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If it was three lots it wouldn't slow down anything. They could have them condemned and in a matter of months.
I think you underestimate the effects of beauracracy. Especially in Texas, which at the state level is very anti-eminent domain (and which recently put even further restrictions on it,
House passes eminent domain bill - Austin Business Journal )
04-17-2013, 06:17 PM
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Dude, I've been involved in many eminent domain proceedings. A handful of lots, even contested, doesn't take that long. Nothing that would hold up construction which will take years to plan, engineer, contract, and implement
04-17-2013, 09:08 PM
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Exacly, Komeht. There's no real basis to contend on--its virtually a textbook case of why eminent domain exists.
04-18-2013, 07:38 AM
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I agree with what you are saying about Riverside. It's a shame we'll never get to see that. In my opinion starting with Mueller will doom it before it gets off the ground, or doom after only that phase. I believe that for reasons related to public relations, running an effective campaign against the opposition, and building much needed, city-wide, enthusiasm for light rail on par with what we saw in 2000.
I guess this is where I don't follow you. I get that G/L is the best starter line and agree. I get that you think that it has the best, and perhaps only, chance of passing. I don't get that you personally will vote against any plan that isn't G/L.
You agree with me about Riverside. The alignment that we think is the likely proposal still serves the Capital complex, UT, the med school, connects up with the Red Line at Hancock center (hopefully spurring a TOD there) and Mueller. I can't see how that's not a decent line, even if it's not the BEST possible line.
It should also be noted when talking about the politics - UT wants the eastern alignment, as I understand it, not the one along the Drag. They are not a bit player in this politically. A route which UT is actively supporting has an advantage over one UT is indifferent toward or even against.
04-18-2013, 07:49 AM
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I guess this is where I don't follow you. I get that G/L is the best starter line and agree. I get that you think that it has the best, and perhaps only, chance of passing. I don't get that you personally will vote against any plan that isn't G/L.
You agree with me about Riverside. The alignment that we think is the likely proposal still serves the Capital complex, UT, the med school, connects up with the Red Line at Hancock center (hopefully spurring a TOD there) and Mueller. I can't see how that's not a decent line, even if it's not the BEST possible line.
It should also be noted when talking about the politics - UT wants the eastern alignment, as I understand it, not the one along the Drag. They are not a bit player in this politically. A route which UT is actively supporting has an advantage over one UT is indifferent toward or even against.
I won't support because I don't think that line is worth the money, and I don't think it will lead to other lines in the future. Rail opponents in other cities would use it as a real life example of a LRT boondoggle.
04-18-2013, 07:55 AM
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Exacly, Komeht. There's no real basis to contend on--its virtually a textbook case of why eminent domain exists.
Oh, undoubtedly the ability to obtain the land, and the justification to do so, are without question. What's left to quibble over, and if I owned the land in question what I'd contest, is the price. After all, what's the worth of property directly adjacent to mass transit, presumably soon to be up zoned to greatly increased allowed density.
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People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)