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Old 04-30-2018, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Where did you hear that the Bolt was being produced faster? There have been more Model 3’s delivered than Bolts in every month in 2018. The current projections are that Model 3 deliveries will be between 75-125k this year compared to 30k Bolts.

And for the record my last three vehicles have been Chevys (including my current one) and I happen to be a big fan of the Bolt.....it’s a very distant 2nd choice for my next car.
Last year, GM announced an expansion of its electric car plans to add 2 new electric vehicles based on the Bolt EV platform within the next 18 months and then 18 more electric vehicles on new platforms within the next 5 years

That’s overall good news and I’m sure that if GM would actually try to sell the Bolt EV, they could easily double the production to 50,000-60,000 units.

Gm can and will produce more EV than Tesla don’t forget GM makes other cars and Trucks GM will sell their Cars cheaper and they have a dealer network already we’re you can go, unlike Tesla. GM has been in the automotive business a he’ll of a lot longer and knows how to produce autos faster and cheaper than Tesla. What other cars dose Tesla plan on making besides the model 3 GM is going to bury Tesla in different models and launch times.
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Old 04-30-2018, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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A temporary problem that they are well on their way to fixing. After several adjustments and lessons learned they are up to 2500+ cars per week and climbing. If you think the setbacks thus far mean Tesla will no longer be a disrupter in the auto industry then I would say you’re taking a nearsighted viewpoint. I guess we shall see what happens in the next 6 months or so.
Not too hard to compete with Tesla. All you need to do is provide the consumer with a car in less than 4-5 years after they pay their deposit. My SIL is still waiting.
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Old 04-30-2018, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Last year, GM announced an expansion of its electric car plans to add 2 new electric vehicles based on the Bolt EV platform within the next 18 months and then 18 more electric vehicles on new platforms within the next 5 years

That’s overall good news and I’m sure that if GM would actually try to sell the Bolt EV, they could easily double the production to 50,000-60,000 units.

Gm can and will produce more EV than Tesla don’t forget GM makes other cars and Trucks GM will sell their Cars cheaper and they have a dealer network already we’re you can go, unlike Tesla. GM has been in the automotive business a he’ll of a lot longer and knows how to produce autos faster and cheaper than Tesla. What other cars dose Tesla plan on making besides the model 3 GM is going to bury Tesla in different models and launch times.
Yes, Tesla will soon be releasing a crossover called the Model Y, which supports the narrative of several people on this thread. Anyways, to try to get this topic back on point, my assertion is that the sedan isn’t dead. I just think the future sedan here is an EV, and this starts with the Tesla Model S, Tesla Model 3 and the Chevrolet Bolt.....with more to follow.
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:09 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Yes, Tesla will soon be releasing a crossover called the Model Y, which supports the narrative of several people on this thread. Anyways, to try to get this topic back on point, my assertion is that the sedan isn’t dead. I just think the future sedan here is an EV, and this starts with the Tesla Model S, Tesla Model 3 and the Chevrolet Bolt.....with more to follow.
The price is going to have to become more competitive. When I bought my Elantra, I did so largely on the basis of price. At the time, I couldn't afford an SUV and needed something reliable. There's no way I could afford an electric car at the time.

My finances have since largely straightened out, which is why I ended up trading my older Escape for the Cherokee this weekend. A $204/month is well under 10% of my net pay. The Escape was just not dependable for long trips this summer and I don't have to go the bargain basement sedan route.
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Yes, Tesla will soon be releasing a crossover called the Model Y, which supports the narrative of several people on this thread. Anyways, to try to get this topic back on point, my assertion is that the sedan isn’t dead. I just think the future sedan here is an EV, and this starts with the Tesla Model S, Tesla Model 3 and the Chevrolet Bolt.....with more to follow.
Tesla cannot even build what they have promised for the model 3 people are wanting their deposit back investors are becoming antsy with the way Tesla is doing things, so how in the heck are they going to make a crossover when they can’t even produce the model 3 in large numbers, GM is in the automotive manufacturing business why would anyone think that Tesla can produce vehicles in greater numbers than GM or any other manufacturer.

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Old 04-30-2018, 09:22 AM
 
Location: South Tampa, Maui, Paris
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Default Why do you think nobody is buying cars?

U.S. car sales are down. They have been down since last year after being way up for the past 7 years at least. Especially sales of sedans. Apparently everyone wants trucks and SUVs, not sedans.

Why do you think car sales are down, when the economy is great, people have jobs, more money to spend (thanks Trump) and interest rates are still low? You could blame it on higher prices for cars, but then why are people buying higher priced trucks and SUVs when they could get a sedan cheaper? Not only are SUVS/trucks more expensive but they are also more expensive to gas up.

Also, I thought the trend was U.S. consumers moving toward electric cars and more fuel efficient cars. Why is everyone buying trucks and SUVs? Did they forget when gas prices went to $4+????
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:50 AM
 
Location: NY
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In the past couple years, people who delayed buying new cars, or could not afford new cars following the 2008 recession have gone out and indulged in new cars. Now that the heightened demand from those individuals has balanced out, the auto market is retracting a bit to find it's true level for what the economy can sustain.


Again though with the sedan vs SUV argument? The real demand in the market is for small and midsize crossovers, which are equivalent in size and mileage to their sedan counterparts. People buying Buick Enclaves, Honda CRV's, and other such smaller/midsize crossovers is not equivalent the craze around huge trucks like the Hummer H2's a decade and a half ago.
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:54 AM
 
Location: South Tampa, Maui, Paris
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In the past couple years, people who delayed buying new cars, or could not afford new cars following the 2008 recession have gone out and indulged in new cars. Now that the heightened demand from those individuals has balanced out, the auto market is retracting a bit to find it's true level for what the economy can sustain.


Again though with the sedan vs SUV argument? The real demand in the market is for small and midsize crossovers, which are equivalent in size and mileage to their sedan counterparts. People buying Buick Enclaves, Honda CRV's, and other such smaller/midsize crossovers is not equivalent the craze around huge trucks like the Hummer H2's a decade and a half ago.


Well I equate the crossovers to SUVs. They are not sedans. They require a lot more gas than sedans. I have yet to find a crossover/SUV that gets the mileage I get from my Honda Accord (40+ mpg).
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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Yeah, there was a big frenzy a few years ago after the economic recovery, but many of these buyers went out and got 72-month or 84-month financing with no/low down payments, and now are in negative equity positions. This is the problem with stretching payments out - it seems nice at first, but eventually, you have to pay the piper!
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Old 04-30-2018, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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I just think auto/truck prices in general have become way too expensive for many people.
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