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Old 06-21-2022, 04:30 AM
 
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Disturbingly, many still have not figured it out. I had this down years ago. Maybe if the Globe says they'll believe it now. Problem is, as usual, the modern lamestream media is a day late and many dollars short. The investigative journalism is never done until it is politically expedient, if it is at all.
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:38 AM
 
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Are there still people who rely on that rag for local news? I mean really? I guess they still manage to influence a lot of people somehow.
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Old 06-21-2022, 09:07 AM
 
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They’ve been fawning over Governor do nothing for years. The man is more than do nothing. I’ve come to the realization he really might just be lazy.

We’ve watched ever issue that was an issue in 2015 get worse in Massachusetts and people were fine with Charlie because he’s tall upper middle class and regular. Not to mention he’s white and male and old. People are preconditioned to see that as stability/security.

It matters not he’s ineffective. He’s popular for being “decent”. Wow. Never mind State Police, Holyoke, DCF, increased homelessness, increased overdoses, increased commute times, or anything else.
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Old 06-21-2022, 09:46 AM
 
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Tand people were fine with Charlie because he’s tall upper middle class and regular. Not to mention he’s white and male and old. People are preconditioned to see that as stability/security.

Come on you're not going to go down this road, are you? I don't recall it being a problem for Deval that he wasn't, or was it???


The Massachusetts left has embraced Baker because he is a corporate, PC, pansy yes man with no convictions, just like the Globe crowd wants in office. The Massachusetts right has tolerated him because he's "better than the alternative". See how well that has worked out for both. I take nothing away from him in the area of intelligence, he is a smart guy for sure. He has effectively won over a very pathetically naive electorate with very little effort, and is laughing all the way to the bank. You can say "shame on him" or "what about morals..." or whatever, but can you really expect those things from anybody these days (especially politicians)? In that context, I can't really blame him.
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Old 06-21-2022, 09:55 AM
 
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Come on you're not going to go down this road, are you? I don't recall it being a problem for Deval that he wasn't, or was it???


The Massachusetts left has embraced Baker because he is a corporate, PC, pansy yes man with no convictions, just like the Globe crowd wants in office. The Massachusetts right has tolerated him because he's "better than the alternative". See how well that has worked out for both. I take nothing away from him in the area of intelligence, he is a smart guy for sure. He has effectively won over a very pathetically naive electorate with very little effort, and is laughing all the way to the bank. You can say "shame on him" or "well there's morals..." or whatever, but can you really expect those things from anybody these days (especially politicians)? In that context, I can't really blame him.
It’s not a road that’s just the reality. I agree with everything you said but what I said really is true too. He’s never gonna face the type of scrutiny Maura Healey will or that Deval Patrick or Mayor Wu or Kin Janey do. I know because it was the same with Marty Walsh. Tbh inn like gender height age race sexual orientation actually do matter. Intersectionality’s is a real thing to the shagrin of many people. Any leader that coasts because of built in advantages and doesn’t use those built in advantages for greater good is someone in going to be skeptical of and critical of. What you can’t blame him for it’s very likely you’d be able to blame him for if you didn’t feel some sort of affinity towards him whether it be his gender or race. Let’s make it impersonal and just say the generally public.. not [i]you[/].

Patrick made key investments into life sciences that bore massive fruit today and he was never “the nations most popular governor” it’s not comparable. I’m literally calling it as I see it. He’s fortunate to be a regular guy in a time of trump and crazy politic. The standard is very low for him and he gently steps over it. Patrick had a Great Recession to deal with and the state weathered it extremely well and bounced back early relative to tiger states. That hasn’t been the case with COVID. I actually thought casinos were not a good move by Patrick but that’s proving to be a good move actually.

Baker has done….what? exactly? He’s a figurehead that make the majority of MA feel comfortable and stable. Lotta people have been getting rich off of the ground work Deval and Barack laid out (and Menino) and they erroneously attribute it to Baker.
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Old 06-21-2022, 10:08 AM
 
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The people who love Charlie are progressives. Why? Because he's been a caretaker Governor who has maintained the status quo.
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Old 06-21-2022, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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Ive seen three trains go by today on my NJTransit line due to the walk out and strike.. and people leaving for good.


Transit is going down the hole rn. idek anymore.

MBTA pay is scary low too... I refused a job at the BPDA because they required Boston residency and the pay was like 60k as a transit planner. How is that even possible? Similar with MBTA, not residency, but pay is like barely scraping $20/hr to start. Who gonna do that for THAT.

Im 200% convinced Boston's problems are ALL self inflicted with easy solutions and its too stubborn to change them.
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Old 06-21-2022, 10:48 AM
 
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I thought MBTA employees made 6 figures and people complained about that?
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Old 06-21-2022, 11:02 AM
 
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It’s not a road that’s just the reality. I agree with everything you said but what I said really is true too. He’s never gonna face the type of scrutiny Maura Healey will or that Deval Patrick or Mayor Wu or Kin Janey do. I know because it was the same with Marty Walsh. Tbh inn like gender height age race sexual orientation actually do matter. Intersectionality’s is a real thing to the shagrin of many people. Any leader that coasts because of built in advantages and doesn’t use those built in advantages for greater good is someone in going to be skeptical of and critical of. What you can’t blame him for it’s very likely you’d be able to blame him for if you didn’t feel some sort of affinity towards him whether it be his gender or race. Let’s make it impersonal and just say the generally public.. not [i]you[/].

Patrick made key investments into life sciences that bore massive fruit today and he was never “the nations most popular governor” it’s not comparable. I’m literally calling it as I see it. He’s fortunate to be a regular guy in a time of trump and crazy politic. The standard is very low for him and he gently steps over it. Patrick had a Great Recession to deal with and the state weathered it extremely well and bounced back early relative to tiger states. That hasn’t been the case with COVID. I actually thought casinos were not a good move by Patrick but that’s proving to be a good move actually.

Baker has done….what? exactly? He’s a figurehead that make the majority of MA feel comfortable and stable. Lotta people have been getting rich off of the ground work Deval and Barack laid out (and Menino) and they erroneously attribute it to Baker.

Well I'm not convinced on the fruits of "Deval's investments", much of what I saw was rooted in existing industry and institutions that were there long before his time. The Boston area was simply in the right place at the right time. You saw the same thing in virtually every metro in the country with a major high tech presence, where they outperformed their non-high tech peers during that time frame. What I do recall is a lot of mismanagement of state government. DCF, drug lab scandals. Same crap going on with the state police and MBTA. Those were bleak years for local municipalities, who perform the bulk of the fundamentals of K-12 education and public safety. Patrick neglected to properly fund them. You can blame the Great Recession all you want, but at the same time state spending exploded way beyond the rate of inflation. I think his "administrative" budget tripled during his tenure. Just bad priorities all around. One positive about Baker is he did see the importance of increasing local aid, although he continued to neglect the infrastructure. Anecdotally, people I know who work for state agencies reported some improvements with oversight and accountability going from Patrick to Baker. But that's about where the positives end. Take away the race, party and Patrick's "outsider" status, I really don't see many meaningful differences between the two.





Menino...I honestly thought that he was a buffoon while he was around. And in some respects, he was (my mother who LOVED him even admitted this). But after watching Walsh and Wu in action (not to mention stuff going on nationally), I have really begun to develop a new appreciation for the guy. We simply aren't producing leaders like him right now, and I have little hope going forward that this will change.
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Old 06-21-2022, 11:04 AM
 
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MBTA pay is scary low too... I refused a job at the BPDA because they required Boston residency and the pay was like 60k as a transit planner. How is that even possible? Similar with MBTA, not residency, but pay is like barely scraping $20/hr to start. Who gonna do that for THAT.

Yeah, I though bus drivers are even making that these days???
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