Court Stops Arizona Law\ California Vindicated (loan, pharmacist, wage)

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by slo1318

sorry I was talkin to Highnlite

woops< looks like I got confused as well. Sorry,

Nita

[californio sur]

Originally Posted by nmnita

woops< looks like I got confused as well. Sorry,

Nita

It wouldn't be the first time!

[Highnlite]

Why would and American apply for a job he knows he has no chance of getting? There are Americans who would take these jobs. The problem would be that they would have to get paid minimum wage and all the taxes would have to be paid.

Nonsense, there are plenty of Americans who work for minimum wage, most field workers make more than minimum wage and if you had been paying attention, you would have read where Field worker wages are commensurate with paramedics and other professionals.

[Highnlite]

Or we could grow much of our own!

Sure you could, except for one small fact, the overwhelming majority of Americans are urban, they think their food comes from the store.

[Brenda-by-the-sea]

In a sting operation conducted several years back, hidden cameras revealed that farm labor employers in the Southwest were giving legal immigrants from Mexico and Central America the cold shoulder while avidly hiring illegals. The reason? The knowledge that a given employee is illegal is a covert whip that his employer can pull out as a power play. It's a dirty quid pro quo that muzzles whistle blowers in this craven black market of stoop-labor neo-slavery. Legal employees are turned down as applicants because the bosses know that they will have full legal rights that can't be suppressed by veiled threats. They don't want that...doesn't make for obedient slaves. It isn't that legal workers aren't applying; they aren't getting hired.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Brenda-by-the-sea

In a sting operation conducted several years back, hidden cameras revealed that farm labor employers in the Southwest were giving legal immigrants from Mexico and Central America the cold shoulder while avidly hiring illegals. The reason? The knowledge that a given employee is illegal is a covert whip that his employer can pull out as a power play. It's a dirty quid pro quo that muzzles whistle blowers in this craven black market of stoop-labor neo-slavery. Legal employees are turned down as applicants because the bosses know that they will have full legal rights that can't be suppressed by veiled threats. They don't want that...doesn't make for obedient slaves. It isn't that legal workers aren't applying; they aren't getting hired.

Brenda, thank you. I don't know how true this is, but I bet it holds some water.

Nita

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by Highnlite

Nonsense, there are plenty of Americans who work for minimum wage, most field workers make more than minimum wage and if you had been paying attention, you would have read where Field worker wages are commensurate with paramedics and other professionals.

Just because you said that doesnt make it true. The fact that the work is seasonal and inconsistent, there is no way they make that much.

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by slo1318

Just because you said that doesnt make it true. The fact that the work is seasonal and inconsistent, there is no way they make that much.

There was an article in the Sacramento Bee about four years which mentioned farmers were paying $75-115 a day because they were having difficulty finding farmworkers because Mexicans, like everyone else, prefer to do something else if there are other employment options available, and there are many other employment options open to illegal immigrants today that were not available 20 years ago.

If you think $75-115 a day is a lot, consider this: The article didn't mention how many hours worked in a day, and if they are illegal immigrants there is a good chance they are paid cash. That is, no payroll tax expenses for the farmer, so it is still relatively cheap labour from their perspective.

[ndfmnlf]

Originally Posted by Brenda-by-the-sea

In a sting operation conducted several years back, hidden cameras revealed that farm labor employers in the Southwest were giving legal immigrants from Mexico and Central America the cold shoulder while avidly hiring illegals. The reason? The knowledge that a given employee is illegal is a covert whip that his employer can pull out as a power play. It's a dirty quid pro quo that muzzles whistle blowers in this craven black market of stoop-labor neo-slavery. Legal employees are turned down as applicants because the bosses know that they will have full legal rights that can't be suppressed by veiled threats. They don't want that...doesn't make for obedient slaves. It isn't that legal workers aren't applying; they aren't getting hired.

Source?

[ndfmnlf]

Originally Posted by nmnita

sure I am offering solutions: 1-worker program for starters. And yes, some do come here legally, like you mentioned. I don't know what that has to do with illegals and your view.

I have read many of your threads. No one said they are not hard workers, the fact remains, they are here illegally and there are others that have waited in line, correctly for years to get to our country.

Nita

And yet those that come here legally (H1B workers as a bridge to green card status) are faced with outright hostility by the locals. Can't win.