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Old 02-10-2013, 11:51 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I wonder what percentage of environuts pushing the bag bans are also vegetarians.
I personally am no vegetarian. I don't see why that would matter. Why does one have to be a vegetarian to support such a thing? What kind of a question is that?

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:56 PM
 
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I personally am no vegetarian. I don't see why that would matter. Why does one have to be a vegetarian to support such a thing? What kind of a question is that?
Because they're usually the same group of people.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:31 AM
 
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Ok, ok...

Now that I'm able to control my fits of laughter about this "environmental conundrum"...


I have just a little experience in this arena, and... ...I must give some credit to "Gentoo"...



...this "published" paper appears to be an internal "U of Penn. Inst for Law & Econ Research Paper", actually No. 13-2.

These types of internal papers, in this case "published" at University of Pennsylvania Law School, where Johnathan Klick is a Professor of Law, do not face near the scrutiny of a paper say published in Nature, Science, Lancet, BJM, or a "standard journal" in a particular field of science. I this case, hopefully a few other Professors of Law reviewed the paper, but I wouldn't count on it. It is possible no epidemiologist, microbiologist, physician, basic scientist, or statistician even reviewed the data and conclusions. Often this type of "published" paper will be one bound copy hidden somewhere in the stacks of U. of Penn, and an electronic copy strewn across the infinite reaches of EM waves...

Regardless, I like the hypothesis, but I am not impressed with the sampling or statistical modeling. Hopefully, this pub will cultivate further research in this concern.


Here's the link to the .PDF if anyone wants to peruse...

Grocery Bag Bans and Foodborne Illness by Jonathan Klick, Joshua Wright :: SSRN
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:33 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Ok, ok...

Now that I'm able to control my fits of laughter about this "environmental conundrum"...


I have just a little experience in this arena, and... ...I must give some credit to "Gentoo"...



...this "published" paper appears to be an internal "U of Penn. Inst for Law & Econ Research Paper", actually No. 13-2.

These types of internal papers, in this case "published" at University of Pennsylvania Law School, where Johnathan Klick is a Professor of Law, do not face near the scrutiny of a paper say published in Nature, Science, Lancet, BJM, or a "standard journal" in a particular field of science. I this case, hopefully a few other Professors of Law reviewed the paper, but I wouldn't count on it. It is possible no epidemiologist, microbiologist, physician, basic scientist, or statistician even reviewed the data and conclusions. Often this type of "published" paper will be one bound copy hidden somewhere in the stacks of U. of Penn, and an electronic copy strewn across the infinite reaches of EM waves...

Regardless, I like the hypothesis, but I am not impressed with the sampling or statistical modeling. Hopefully, this pub will cultivate further research in this concern.


Here's the link to the .PDF if anyone wants to peruse...

Grocery Bag Bans and Foodborne Illness by Jonathan Klick, Joshua Wright :: SSRN
Thank you sir
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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Don't even know where to start with the stupidity of this study...

This has been done in Europe for decades. NO problems without big thick bags for groceries.... (Duh, we are not talking wrapping meat here folks....)
OR
Possibly it is the greedy money hungry growers and processors who willingly throw the environment out the window to line their pockets with dirty money? These very same factory farmers who pump livestock full of antibiotics and raise them in intense packed feed lots.... The meat is sick and contaminated to begin with...! The stuff is shipped around the world and sits and should be rotten if they did not add preservatives, radiate it and so forth....

Our industrial food is crap. That is part of the problem..
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:01 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Don't even know where to start with the stupidity of this study...

This has been done in Europe for decades. NO problems without big thick bags for groceries.... (Duh, we are not talking wrapping meat here folks....)
OR
Possibly it is the greedy money hungry growers and processors who willingly throw the environment out the window to line their pockets with dirty money? These very same factory farmers who pump livestock full of antibiotics and raise them in intense packed feed lots.... The meat is sick and contaminated to begin with...! The stuff is shipped around the world and sits and should be rotten if they did not add preservatives, radiate it and so forth....

Our industrial food is crap. That is part of the problem..
Others can do it with no problems but we can't. Think we can see why right here in this thread.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:13 AM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Maybe if the environuts weren't so fanatical, they'd be open to the idea of disposable bags for things like meat or produce.
Huh, I just bought some chicken, and put it in the handy disposable plastic bag hanging at the meat counter., then I bought some grapes, in a handy disposable plastic bag.

For those who support plastic bags, remember they are with us forever.

There are folks in the midwest that outfit themselves with poles and grippers etc to pull plastic bags out of trees after floods, by the thousands.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:51 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Huh, I just bought some chicken, and put it in the handy disposable plastic bag hanging at the meat counter., then I bought some grapes, in a handy disposable plastic bag.

For those who support plastic bags, remember they are with us forever.

There are folks in the midwest that outfit themselves with poles and grippers etc to pull plastic bags out of trees after floods, by the thousands.
So did I and about to go pick up some sirloins. Funny how some stereotypes are. I know plenty of vegan raw foodist who could care less about protecting the environment too.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Double wrap meat with what? More plastic?

Wash your bags with what? Water and detergent? Seems wasteful.

What problem solved?
Wash your bags in the regular laundry. You do wash your cloths, right?

smaller, lighter bags. less plastic.
Yes I am aware of some contradictions

The big issue with a lot of you people is that you see it as another layer of government intrusion.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Leland Yee is already drafting a bill to ban e. coli.
Ahhh these Cali legislators are just wonderful aren't they?
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