Study Shows Plastic Bag Ban Resulting in Health Problems (high school, live)

[DMenscha]

A new study has found that life results in death 100% of the time.

Darned if I can find the link to the study though. You'll have to take this one on faith.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by DMenscha

A new study has found that life results in death 100% of the time.

Darned if I can find the link to the study though. You'll have to take this one on faith.

Yes I've heard that. I am trying to find a link to the study that says night follows the day LOL

[Leonard64]

Originally Posted by TrueTimbers

I will give you that... Sorry..

No problem.

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

Yes I've heard that. I am trying to find a link to the study that says night follows the day LOL

Recycler here, but one of my favorites ( "correlation does not imply causation") is that 100% of the people who ate tomatoes in 1700 are now dead.

Sidenote: Or, so we assume.

[TrueTimbers]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Humans are fouling the natural environment far faster than trees can be grown to replace the felled ones used for paper bags. Carbons emitted exceed the capacity of the carbon sink if we continue to accelerate deforestation, worldwide, which results in pollution and climate change.

Your own bag > paper bag > plastic bag.

Look at forest service data.... It is the contrary... Volume of forest stock is increasing.. Species grown for low grade paper are fast growing weed trees... High grade glossy paper a whole different story.

Educate yourself on it a bit... Very interesting when you dig in... Separate in your mind preserving old growth forests and the ecological diversity they hold from growing fast growing species like a crop of corn... The crop cycle is 40 to 70 years... Very sustainable and likely to grow faster as levels CO2 increase in the air...

We as humans do little unless we get something in return.... Yes it is important to preserve old growth forest with the biological diversity they contain... But we have millions and millions of acres of marginal land on which we can farm trees....

Look at it... In past warming periods in earths history the planet saw huge amounts of plant and tree growth.... This vast amount of vegetation locked up massive amounts of carbon and cooled the planet. (THose are today's hydrocarbons we pump up and burn putting them back in the atmosphere, hence warming the atmosphere again..)

I am 100% in favor of renewable forestry products.... I personally consider them one of the most green environmentally sound directions we can go... Get proactive promote wood based products...

Problem is many are stuck in the mindset of destroying ecologically diverse rain forest and so forth... That is a totally different subject and not related to farming trees....

The key here is to not let trees die fall and rot, that just released the carbon.(ie active carbon cycle).. The idea is to harvest and make a lasting durable product to lock the carbon up, no rotting or burning=no carbon release) .. Bio char is a good one, it improves soil nutrient retention and locks carbon at the same time...

With that said I take my own cloth bags to the grocery store... It would be nice to be able to buy a paper bag in case I forget to bring my own... Which happens a lot for me...

Ban plastic bags, get going on the carbon credit program like the ROW and lets get this party started....

Wood the high tec. GREEN product of the 21st century

[Dunbar42]

Originally Posted by TrueTimbers

This should be a no brainer for anyone with the most rudimentary understanding of basic science.

Except that you're ignoring the energy inputs to manufacture the bags which ignores the "carbon footprint" involved in making them. Plastic bags take very little energy to make. I'm willing to bet paper bags take a lot more energy. And recycling paper requires an incredible amount of energy input. So to feel better about not throwing out plastic bags you're actually dumping a lot more CO2 into the atmosphere. BTW, garbage buried in landfills decomposes very slowly so I'm afraid you can't even claim that one for paper bags. Washing/drying reusable bags also uses energy so I'm afraid there's no easy solution to this "problem."

In theory corn ethanol in our fuel is great for our environment. In reality it's pretty terrible for it.

The Clean Energy Scam - TIME

[gone down south]

Portlandia _ No Grocery Bag - Video Dailymotion

[.highnlite]

Now, with my wonder memory I have managed to remember to take my bags into the supermarket about 4 times since the law went into effect.

The clerk and I put the groceries back into the cart, I wheel it to the truck, put the groceries in the truck, where the bags are, drive home, put the groceries into the bags take them into the house, put the bags back in the truck and forget to take them to the store next time, and...... the system works fine.

Everytime I express chagrin to the clerk about forgetting my bags I get told that lots of people don't use bags anymore.

I think folks are blowing the issue out of proportion.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Now, with my wonder memory I have managed to remember to take my bags into the supermarket about 4 times since the law went into effect.

The clerk and I put the groceries back into the cart, I wheel it to the truck, put the groceries in the truck, where the bags are, drive home, put the groceries into the bags take them into the house, put the bags back in the truck and forget to take them to the store next time, and...... the system works fine.

Everytime I express chagrin to the clerk about forgetting my bags I get told that lots of people don't use bags anymore.

I think folks are blowing the issue out of proportion.

Old habits are hard to break.

New habits are orders of magnitude harder to start.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

I... drive home, put the groceries into the bags take them into the house, put the bags back in the truck and forget to take them to the store next time, and..

They're in the back of your truck, aren't they? How do you forget them?