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Old 02-08-2016, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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My goodness, don't encourage her. It's quite obvious that she literally has nothing better to do. She resides on this thread.
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:32 PM
 
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I fear for my life the instant I step across the border. That has already been made clear, citing examples of Canadians who were doing mundane things like seeing a movie when they got shot to death in America, and you've already expressed your disbelief. There's no need to try and feign more.


I can't help but think you are lacking a spouse or active social life since you're so eager to repeat yourself to strangers.

I'm having fun...and I think you should not travel....

I'm happily married but I think you do need a husband....pronto....or your anger will level Toronto....
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:34 PM
 
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My goodness, don't encourage her. It's quite obvious that she literally has nothing better to do. She resides on this thread.

...being a woman...that would be something new for me....
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I'm having fun...and I think you should not travel....


Oh, I intend to travel to Australia this year actually! To visit a friend who was in the process of getting her employer to sponsor her to try and move to Toronto when her mother fell ill with lung cancer and she had to go back to Sydney. I've already been to well over 25 countries. There's only one I've seen more than enough of to last a lifetime. I also won't be heading to Mexico anytime soon.
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Beautiful British Columbia 🇨🇦
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Torontocheeka, our system may be horrible IMO, but I don't like how you've been describing the American people. We're decent human beings just like you. The vast majority of us aren't racist gun nuts. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience while visiting the US, but please don't take it as a reflection of who we are.
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:43 PM
 
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After sampling a few hundred of these thousand messages a couple of suggestions.

I am American born and raised though I have a good bit of time in Europe and some in Canada.

My wife is Canadian born and raised and a dual Canadian US citizen. Her lines are actually pure Norwegian from the prairies of Saskatchewan. We deal with our Canadian relatives a good bit and have some understanding of both cultures.

The thought I would raise is the right question is of a union of states into some cooperative high bred where the national interdependence is raised. I would think a simple system where the members of either country can move and live freely in each other's country. The object is think small. What minimum thing can we do that will allow our citizens freedom of movement and employment. As a goal that all dwellers in the US and Canada eventually and by choice become citizens of both countries.

Someday perhaps a merger...but a 100 years from now by our children's children when the lines between the countries have become blurred and the differences have been sorted.

There are of course vast difficulties in even such a modest goal. To start we would need..

A reasonable immigration policy that satisfies the needs of both countries. How we deal with those coming in from outside the joint borders. We do not want Canada to provide a way to evade the US requirements nor do we want the US to prevent the easy acquisition of suitable immigrants by Canada.

Successful solution of the US illegal immigration problem. The Canadians do not need a couple of million US illegal aliens rushing across a vanished border to Canada. And as long as the US cannot resolve the question of who can live here we should not spread the problem to our neighbor.

The workings of the Social/Medical systems musts be integrated. How to deal with US citizens in the Canadian system and Canadians in the US is a monumental problem. And of course the Canadian systems are all provincial. So we would have to figure a way to allow people to move between the systems and provide for those caught in the gap between. All in all a huge and difficult barrier.

Many of the other problems can be solved simply by letting the laws of the Province or State determine. You move there you live with how it is.

And when we get 50 years into all this we figure out how to include Mexico...And one would think linking the first two was hard.

Good news though. Win the first three alignment and we can probably wing throught the next 8 or 10 in a decade.

So first we plan on how to make the border between the US and Canada vanish...then we can begin to talk about the difficult stuff.
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:46 PM
 
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Hey Saturno, we're cooking now.

You did notice your link on income disparity showed the U.S. rating a "D" to Canada's "C"? A small lead I'll grant you, but we're still ahead.

Then there's this one:

How America's middle class fell behind its Canadian neighbours | Money | The Guardian

I expect a new assessment would show us lagging soon as our economy has now taken a huge hit with oil tanking.

I'm having fun too ladies as you both are keeping it civil on boards noted for their lack of same.
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Torontocheeka, our system may be horrible IMO, but I don't like how you've been describing the American people. We're decent human beings just like you. The vast majority of us aren't racist gun nuts. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience while visiting the US, but please don't take it as a reflection of who we are.


Well, you also have law-abiding gun nuts, as saturno purports to be.

I don't think that all Americans are bad people, not by any means. However, it is a different culture overall. More religious, more segregated in many respects, more materialistic, more competitive (and this can be a good thing!), which is why you work so many more hours and take fewer vacation days, more conservative... there are lots of differences. Some - maybe even most - are subtle.

America and Canada are different. Depending on your priorities or your own proclivities, (for instance, my father has become a practising minister since retiring, and so now prefers to spend time in the States because of the vibrant churches there), one may be better than the other. What I am definitively saying is that countries have the right to their own sovereign culture.

I think some of you Americans here are so upset at the thought that any country's residents don't see America as "the greatest country in the world" and just be beside themselves at the chance to fold into it that you feel the need to set this straight immediately, which is misguided imo.
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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After sampling a few hundred of these thousand messages a couple of suggestions.

I am American born and raised though I have a good bit of time in Europe and some in Canada.

My wife is Canadian born and raised and a dual Canadian US citizen. Her lines are actually pure Norwegian from the prairies of Saskatchewan. We deal with our Canadian relatives a good bit and have some understanding of both cultures.

The thought I would raise is the right question is of a union of states into some cooperative high bred where the national interdependence is raised. I would think a simple system where the members of either country can move and live freely in each other's country. The object is think small. What minimum thing can we do that will allow our citizens freedom of movement and employment. As a goal that all dwellers in the US and Canada eventually and by choice become citizens of both countries.

Someday perhaps a merger...but a 100 years from now by our children's children when the lines between the countries have become blurred and the differences have been sorted.

There are of course vast difficulties in even such a modest goal. To start we would need..

A reasonable immigration policy that satisfies the needs of both countries. How we deal with those coming in from outside the joint borders. We do not want Canada to provide a way to evade the US requirements nor do we want the US to prevent the easy acquisition of suitable immigrants by Canada.

Successful solution of the US illegal immigration problem. The Canadians do not need a couple of million US illegal aliens rushing across a vanished border to Canada. And as long as the US cannot resolve the question of who can live here we should not spread the problem to our neighbor.

The workings of the Social/Medical systems musts be integrated. How to deal with US citizens in the Canadian system and Canadians in the US is a monumental problem. And of course the Canadian systems are all provincial. So we would have to figure a way to allow people to move between the systems and provide for those caught in the gap between. All in all a huge and difficult barrier.

Many of the other problems can be solved simply by letting the laws of the Province or State determine. You move there you live with how it is.

And when we get 50 years into all this we figure out how to include Mexico...And one would think linking the first two was hard.

Good news though. Win the first three alignment and we can probably wing throught the next 8 or 10 in a decade.

So first we plan on how to make the border between the US and Canada vanish...then we can begin to talk about the difficult stuff.
Whoa! Somebody actually thinking about the how's and wherefores without the usual bellicosity we've been displaying.
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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After sampling a few hundred of these thousand messages a couple of suggestions.

I am American born and raised though I have a good bit of time in Europe and some in Canada.

My wife is Canadian born and raised and a dual Canadian US citizen. Her lines are actually pure Norwegian from the prairies of Saskatchewan. We deal with our Canadian relatives a good bit and have some understanding of both cultures.

The thought I would raise is the right question is of a union of states into some cooperative high bred where the national interdependence is raised. I would think a simple system where the members of either country can move and live freely in each other's country. The object is think small. What minimum thing can we do that will allow our citizens freedom of movement and employment. As a goal that all dwellers in the US and Canada eventually and by choice become citizens of both countries.

Someday perhaps a merger...but a 100 years from now by our children's children when the lines between the countries have become blurred and the differences have been sorted.

There are of course vast difficulties in even such a modest goal. To start we would need..

A reasonable immigration policy that satisfies the needs of both countries. How we deal with those coming in from outside the joint borders. We do not want Canada to provide a way to evade the US requirements nor do we want the US to prevent the easy acquisition of suitable immigrants by Canada.

Successful solution of the US illegal immigration problem. The Canadians do not need a couple of million US illegal aliens rushing across a vanished border to Canada. And as long as the US cannot resolve the question of who can live here we should not spread the problem to our neighbor.

The workings of the Social/Medical systems musts be integrated. How to deal with US citizens in the Canadian system and Canadians in the US is a monumental problem. And of course the Canadian systems are all provincial. So we would have to figure a way to allow people to move between the systems and provide for those caught in the gap between. All in all a huge and difficult barrier.

Many of the other problems can be solved simply by letting the laws of the Province or State determine. You move there you live with how it is.

And when we get 50 years into all this we figure out how to include Mexico...And one would think linking the first two was hard.

Good news though. Win the first three alignment and we can probably wing throught the next 8 or 10 in a decade.

So first we plan on how to make the border between the US and Canada vanish...then we can begin to talk about the difficult stuff.

*shudder*


If this ever happens I am moving to Australia. Good luck eliminating the sovereign culture of a large island.
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