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Old 11-17-2013, 10:33 PM
 
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They would plummet along with all other aspects of the economy.
Well seems there is such strong hate among English and other parts of Canada I would not be surprised.In some ways their culture and political views being more socialist have more in view with Europe or France.

The hate never gone away they just keep it to them self.Reading many threads here shows the culture clash.
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Old 11-17-2013, 10:49 PM
 
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Quebec will never separate from Canada.
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:27 AM
 
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Well seems there is such strong hate among English and other parts of Canada I would not be surprised.In some ways their culture and political views being more socialist have more in view with Europe or France.

The hate never gone away they just keep it to them self.Reading many threads here shows the culture clash.
Housing prices throughout Quebec would lower with urban areas showing a more dramatic drop.

A glut of homes on the market precipitates the same result wherever and whenever it happens; Quebec would be no different in that regard. Many French Canadians would move out of Quebec in anticipation of a lowering of their economic standards.

Not all of them are nuts carrying a chip on their shoulder that supersedes common sense and logic. Most simply keep their mouths closed when faced with separatiste nonsense and to date they have been the majority but if a referendum were held and somehow prevailed by a slim margin; what would that silent but now disenfranchised group choose to do if their thinking is even remotely cautionary? JMHO, but I believe a significant portion would pull up stakes and get the hell out. Those remaining (while shouting good riddance) would get to watch their property values tank.

When was the last time you ventured into a French speaking enclave during a St Jean Baptiste day and spoke nothing but English where your immediate neighbours and surrounding crowds could hear it? eh?

The "hatred" (better descriptor being disdain) you speak of emanates in both directions my friend.

One direction is cultural while the other is responsive.

Flame suit on. Have at it!
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Old 11-18-2013, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Housing prices throughout Quebec would lower with urban areas showing a more dramatic drop.

A glut of homes on the market precipitates the same result wherever and whenever it happens; Quebec would be no different in that regard. Many French Canadians would move out of Quebec in anticipation of a lowering of their economic standards.

Not all of them are nuts carrying a chip on their shoulder that supersedes common sense and logic. Most simply keep their mouths closed when faced with separatiste nonsense and to date they have been the majority but if a referendum were held and somehow prevailed by a slim margin; what would that silent but now disenfranchised group choose to do if their thinking is even remotely cautionary? JMHO, but I believe a significant portion would pull up stakes and get the hell out. Those remaining (while shouting good riddance) would get to watch their property values tank.
This type of argument lies somewhere between total hogwash and anticipated schadenfreude. There wouldn't be a significant out-migration of francophones from Quebec post-independence. At all. Trust me on that. Most francophones in Quebec, even federalists, don't speak any English or have shaky English. They don't know anyone or anything outside Quebec and so moving there would be almost like moving to a foreign country for them.

If you already have a job as a high school principal in Ste-Whateveux, are you going to leave that, and everyone and everything you know, for uncertainty in the ROC simply because Quebec is now independent from Canada?

The vast majority of people are going to stay exactly where they are because post-independence the likely economic effect will be a recession. Not armageddon.

If anything there will be some movement of francophones back to Quebec from the ROC (especially those who are originally from Quebec).

In 1995, I was actually surprised at the number of francophone people in the ROC I knew who were making contigency plans to move back to Quebec in the event of a Oui vote.
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Old 11-18-2013, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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When was the last time you ventured into a French speaking enclave during a St Jean Baptiste day and spoke nothing but English where your immediate neighbours and surrounding crowds could hear it? eh?

The "hatred" (better descriptor being disdain) you speak of emanates in both directions my friend.

One direction is cultural while the other is responsive.

Flame suit on. Have at it!
I agree that the hate is dished out on both sides, but one could argue that the francophone side is also being responsive.

I mean, no one moves from Quebec to Ontario, walks into a corner store in Hampton Ridge or whatever, gets greeted with a "Good morning sir", and then proceeds to react with a gruff "WTF? What's with this English crap?"
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Old 11-18-2013, 01:14 PM
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I agree that the hate is dished out on both sides, but one could argue that the francophone side is also being responsive.

I mean, no one moves from Quebec to Ontario, walks into a corner store in Hampton Ridge or whatever, gets greeted with a "Good morning sir", and then proceeds to react with a gruff "WTF? What's with this English crap?"
Yeah because the reverse happens so often...
Not speaking French is not a crime, you know.
Do you have any idea how many have tried and tried and tried to learn a second language, but just aren't capable of it? Not being able to speak French isn't the same as what you're describing. Why should someone be expected to leave their home simply because they can't communicate in a certain language? People of my linguistic background have done as much to build the province as yours have, we should be allowed to speak English in Quebec.

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Old 11-18-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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Yeah because the reverse happens so often...
Not speaking French is not a crime, you know.
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But although being a dick about it isn't a crime either, it's probably not the best way to make friends.
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Old 11-18-2013, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Do you have any idea how many have tried and tried and tried to learn a second language, but just aren't capable of it? .
I am not of the view that there is such a thing as a personal inability to learn a second language. If you can learn one, you can learn two.

There are certain demographics in the world where basically 100% of the over-18 population can speak two languages. This includes the mentally retarded, people with low IQ, the illiterate, etc. Everyone.
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Old 11-18-2013, 01:43 PM
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I am not of the view that there is such a thing as a personal inability to learn a second language. If you can learn one, you can learn two.

There are certain demographics in the world where basically 100% of the over-18 population can speak two languages. This includes the mentally retarded, people with low IQ, the illiterate, etc. Everyone.
Why don't you bug French Canadians living in Montreal to learn English, then? I really don't get how one is disrespectful but the other isn't. Montreal is a bilingual city in a bilingual province in a bilingual country. Why not promote bilingualism instead of just demanding people "learn French".
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Why don't you bug French Canadians living in Montreal to learn English, then? I really don't get how one is disrespectful but the other isn't. Montreal is a bilingual city in a bilingual province in a bilingual country. Why not promote bilingualism instead of just demanding people "learn French".
Francophones in Montreal already speak the main language of the city so while personal bilingualism is always a good thing, the onus of bilingualism and adaptation should not be on them.

Just as I (and francophones in general) don't expect all anglophones in Ottawa to become bilingual and switch to French in our presence to talk to us.
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