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My only issue with both camps (Anti and Pro Canada) is that both sides seem almost excited to sling the mud re: each others country, especially when it comes to speaking about social issues and the less fortunate.
Speaking about issues openly is productive, but getting a borderline online erection over people living in poor conditions is not. How about some constructive conversation about what each country does well and how it can be adopted on the other side? You know, like how adults speak to each other, not snotty children in a sandbox.
Also the suggestion that someone would be envious over someone being "settled" is strange to me. Some people love living their lives unsettled so to speak. Moving around and experiencing different places first hand as a resident can be rewarding. As equally if not more rewarding than being settled in one place.
So I think that while I dont care for some of the anti camps posts, they do have some valuable opinions to share based on seeing the world from a different set of eyes than someone who has lived in Canada their entire lives.
But yeah, it could be done in a little more constructive and civil way and without the hyperbole and outright false statements just to make a point. On that I agree.
Conversations about countries difference are always going to include social issues and the less fortunate IF you are going to bring in politics, economies, housing, wages etc. It is unavoidable.
Not sure why you think talking about poverty etc is somehow related to being excited about it. That discussing it must be forbidden unless in??? what context?
Settled, in this context means happy. Content might have been a better word. Lots of people move around and are perfectly happy. Lots of people don't and aren't.
On this forum there are some who are not content, but just happen to be also moving about country to country, city to city, job to job. Even as a kid I knew that being content comes from within.
Outsiders views can be valuable, if they are informed.
Objectively, the weather in most of Canada isn't thought to be great because of the terrible winters. It isn't just me, man. Get a grip.
Nah. Four seasons is quite wonderful for most people. Sure a really harsh winter now and then might not be for everyone, but friends in Phoenix this summer wanted to die.
Obviously there are many ambitious talented Canadian scientist. engineers and entrepreneurs and USA did a good job swallowing many of them up in the past....no need to mention the famous Avro Arrow saga....
Avro was a terrible brain drain from Canada, but the US space program was a huge beneficiary. The saddest end to the Arrow was that they were cut up for scrap and the plans destroyed.
Conversations about countries difference are always going to include social issues and the less fortunate IF you are going to bring in politics, economies, housing, wages etc. It is unavoidable.
Not sure why you think talking about poverty etc is somehow related to being excited about it. That discussing it must be forbidden unless in??? what context?
Not forbidden at all. As I said, speaking about issues is productive. Saying "your country does this shi*tier than my country" is not. How about mixing in some constructive criticism every once in a while? Like for example, if you view Americas healthcare system as inferior, what Canadian policies would work in an American context and help it improve? Or one the other side if you view Canada's wait times to be significantly higher, then what US policies could be adopted to improve it?
Yeah I know, its alot to ask.
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Settled, in this context means happy. Content might have been a better word. Lots of people move around and are perfectly happy. Lots of people don't and aren't.
On this forum there are some who are not content, but just happen to be also moving about country to country, city to city, job to job. Even as a kid I knew that being content comes from within.
I'm with that.
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Outsiders views can be valuable, if they are informed.
I agree. Nothing beats first hand knowledge, which comes from actually living somewhere. I assume many in the Anti Canada and anti US camp have. So hey while I may not agree with them 100%, they have something to share. It sure beats listening to someone who has never lived somewhere.
Nah. Four seasons is quite wonderful for most people. Sure a really harsh winter now and then might not be for everyone, but friends in Phoenix this summer wanted to die.
Some significant parts of Canada have three seasons at best -- summer, autumn, and winter -- while other significant parts of it have only two, really -- summer and winter. Outside of the warmer parts of British Columbia, the winter in all parts of Canada is five-to-six months long. And it's a real winter, with all of the ice, the snow, and the freezing temperatures that go along with it. That kind of winter is objectively bad, and I don't understand why so many Canadians try to bicker with people when they dare to admit the harsh truth about it all. It's freaking bizarre!
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Some significant parts of Canada have three seasons at best -- summer, autumn, and winter -- while other significant parts of it have only two, really -- summer and winter. Outside of the warmer parts of British Columbia, the winter in all parts of Canada is five-to-six months long. And it's a real winter, with all of the ice, the snow, and the freezing temperatures that go along with it. That kind of winter is objectively bad, and I don't understand why so many Canadians try to bicker with people when dare to admit the harsh truth about it all. It's freaking bizarre!
...usually the reply to someone that dares to say that weather is not one of Canada great assets is : "....but in Phoenix....." like everybody else lives in Phoenix....
Half of the US population lives in just 9 states, 6 of them in the Northeast where the weather is similar to where the majority of Canadians live. This still doesn't include the US midwest where winter is brutal.
Winters along the east coast of the US are much more bearable than Ontario and Quebec....comparing winters in New York to Toronto is ludicrous.
I do not have direct experience but I heard from quite few sources with experience (one of them is Botti) that even Chicago is not as brutal as Toronto.
Minnesota, Wisconsin, all the way to Montana are brutal indeed in winter.
Winters along the east coast of the US are much more bearable than Ontario and Quebec....comparing winters in New York to Toronto is ludicrous.
I do not have direct experience but I heard from quite few sources with experience (one of them is Botti) that even Chicago is not as brutal as Toronto.
Minnesota, Wisconsin, all the way to Montana are brutal indeed in winter.
Chicago not as brutal as Toronto is a stretch....look at the stats.
There is more of a difference in temps in summer between Chicago and Toronto than in winter.
NYC winters being so amazing is news to me.
Everyone is just wearing bermuda shorts and flipflops in winter over in New York City
Cancel my january flight to Miami, I'm going to NYC to instead
NYC winters being so amazing is news to me.
Everyone is just wearing bermuda shorts and flipflops in winter over in New York City
Cancel my january flight to Miami, I'm going to NYC to instead
...again, that is not the point.....I do not wear bermuda in winter in Seattle but is not up for debate that we have milder winters than Toronto...
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