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Old 08-04-2017, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I think we misunderstood DavePa's post.

"No Canadian travels to the US and buys the added insurance to be covered in the States .... and worries if the need to use it?"

He means I believe that Canadians do buy added insurance, but don't worry about access or quality of care IF they need to use it.

 
Old 08-04-2017, 06:08 PM
 
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The poor actually on government assistance are the group who get it free and no child does without. .... like our Congressmen and Top politicians .....

Exactly.....my wife is recovering from a retina detachment and the quality of care we received at UW is simply spectacular.....UW alone does $300 mil worth of medical procedures to Medicaid recipient (not counting Medicare) every year.
Ironically the lead nurse preparing my wife for surgery is Canadian, English speaking born in Montreal, moved to the US in 1993 part of NAFTA program of the time dealing with a shortage of paramedics in the US. Very funny guy, great sense of humor, some sort of skinnier version of John Candy. He told me that UW alone has much more equipment in some areas that the entire province of BC.

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Old 08-04-2017, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Exactly.....my wife is recovering from a retina detachment and the quality of care we received at UW is simply spectacular.....UW alone does $300 mil worth of medical procedures to Medicaid recipient (not counting Medicare) every year.
Ironically the lead nurse preparing my wife for surgery is Canadian, English speaking born in Montreal, moved to the US in 1993 part of NAFTA program of the time dealing with a shortage of paramedics in the US. Very funny guy, great sense of humor, some sort of skinnier version of John Candy. He told me that UW alone has much more equipment in some areas that the entire province of BC.
More equipment in some areas. That's a rather vague statement coming from someone who left Canada in 1993, , to make about BC's status on " equipment in some areas". How does this person even know this??

Rather than give " I heard he heard " stories, wouldn't actually stats on results of medical care etc be more productive? Are you suggesting that since your wife ( wish her good health ) had spectacular care that spectacular care doesn't occur in BC?
 
Old 08-04-2017, 07:13 PM
 
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More equipment in some areas. That's a rather vague statement coming from someone who left Canada in 1993, , to make about BC's status on " equipment in some areas". How does this person even know this??

Rather than give " I heard he heard " stories, wouldn't actually stats on results of medical care etc be more productive? Are you suggesting that since your wife ( wish her good health ) had spectacular care that spectacular care doesn't occur in BC?

I did not mean to infer anything...we were chit-chatting about health care and other areas (travelling) waiting for my wife to be taken in the operating room. By the way the guy (his name was Brian) was fairly critical about the US health care system as is currently run, his personal opinion is to have a full hybrid system like in some European countries. However his take on quality of care and equipment when it comes to the US was a two word "top notch". My comment on a spectacular quality of care meant that a Medicaid recipient having the same procedure at the same hospital would have received exactly the same quality of care. He agreed with me that we will end up having a fully fledged public option, it is a matter of time...actually it is a matter of formalizing it because in practice we have one already in place (we pay for the uninsured one way or another)
The equipment comment was a general comment, he did not need to specify the specific piece of hardware.
A really really nice person, funny and a great personal touch, I would not mind striking a nice friendship with him. His wife (Canadian as well) works as a nurse too at UW.

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Old 08-04-2017, 07:33 PM
 
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I think we misunderstood DavePa's post.

"No Canadian travels to the US and buys the added insurance to be covered in the States .... and worries if the need to use it?"

He means I believe that Canadians do buy added insurance, but don't worry about access or quality of care IF they need to use it.
BINGO!

Although; there is this issue of some rising concern:

Medical error

Hospital Errors are the Third Leading Cause of Death in U.S., and New Hospital Safety Scores Show Improvements Are Too Slow

Study Suggests Medical Errors Now Third Leading Cause of Death in the U.S. - 05/03/2016

My "Out of Province" healthcare is covered through my Defined Pension Plan and is covered by an American Insurance underwriter that states very clearly in the literature that should I become seriously ill but can be stabilized, I will be flown home on a med flight with medical attendant accompaniment.

Cheaper and safer then running the risk of being long term hospitalized in the U.S.

Have attended many seminars prior to our retirement where Sun Life, Manulife, Mutual and Blue Cross, to name a few, stated the same thing to it's members.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 02:54 AM
 
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No doubt we could learn more by looking at other countries but there are actual reasons for why Canadians compare themselves to Americans as opposed to Norwegians.

It's the only country we border.

Our origins are similar.

We speak the same language.
Canada may be quite well be more European than you realize: your French heritage and a large part of the population speaking French today, your healthcare system, socialism, anti-gun laws, and low crime rates resemble Europe more than the US.

And you're still under the British crown even today, aren't you?
 
Old 08-05-2017, 03:52 AM
 
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Canada may be quite well be more European than you realize: your French heritage and a large part of the population speaking French today, your healthcare system, socialism, anti-gun laws, and low crime rates resemble Europe more than the US.

And you're still under the British crown even today, aren't you?
I wouldn't say that most people speak French despite the country being bilingual.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 04:59 AM
 
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Canada may be quite well be more European than you realize: your French heritage and a large part of the population speaking French today, your healthcare system, socialism, anti-gun laws, and low crime rates resemble Europe more than the US.

And you're still under the British crown even today, aren't you?
that's not called European. That's called a normal developed country.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Canada may be quite well be more European than you realize: your French heritage and a large part of the population speaking French today, your healthcare system, socialism, anti-gun laws, and low crime rates resemble Europe more than the US.

And you're still under the British crown even today, aren't you?

Drro, you seem to have some misunderstandings about Canada. I think if you ever have the opportunity that you should visit Canada some time so you can see what it is actually like.

We are not under the British Crown, we have firearms regulations but don't have any such thing as anti-gun laws, the crime rates are low by comparison with both Europe and America and they are different kinds of crimes from what you have in Europe. A much larger part of the population speaks a greater diversity of other languages than French (or speak no French at all) and more people have come from ethnic backgrounds and countries that have no relation to France. Our healthcare system is different from any other country's healthcare systems and Canada is not a socialist country.

Come visit some time and see for yourself.


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Old 08-05-2017, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I did not mean to infer anything...we were chit-chatting about health care and other areas (travelling) waiting for my wife to be taken in the operating room. By the way the guy (his name was Brian) was fairly critical about the US health care system as is currently run, his personal opinion is to have a full hybrid system like in some European countries. However his take on quality of care and equipment when it comes to the US was a two word "top notch". My comment on a spectacular quality of care meant that a Medicaid recipient having the same procedure at the same hospital would have received exactly the same quality of care. He agreed with me that we will end up having a fully fledged public option, it is a matter of time...actually it is a matter of formalizing it because in practice we have one already in place (we pay for the uninsured one way or another)
The equipment comment was a general comment, he did not need to specify the specific piece of hardware.
A really really nice person, funny and a great personal touch, I would not mind striking a nice friendship with him. His wife (Canadian as well) works as a nurse too at UW.
Hmmm. You may not meant to have, but you did. Mentioning your wife " spectacular " care at U of W, then in the same breath mentioning the apparent ( unproven ) lack of equipment in BC is basically saying that care must be " lesser " in BC.

Passive agressive as it were.
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