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Pretty sure every reasonable person understands the intent.
The argument is do these types of lockdowns actually work? From what I have read, full lockdowns at the beginning of the pandemic were necessary, to give scientists and medical professionals time to figure out what was going on and how to treat this virus. At that time people didn't even know how the virus was spread. There was also no contact tracing in place to really understand where these outbreaks or super spreader events were truly happening.
Now that we know more, we understand that targeted lockdowns do save lives, but the keyword is targeted. People who have no outlet, typically do irrational things and we see it happening in places like Toronto (https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/video-eme...onto-1.5421444)
These people are idiots of course and need to be shut down, but there are also people that innocently find ways to let off steam and unknowingly engage in a higher-risk activity as a result.
How about you shut down what is truly driving this spread, then educate the public on safe activities and allow them to engage in them? Spend time educating them on the science and of course start to roll out the vaccine in an equitable way to target high risk communities. Then you will see the numbers go down.
What didn't work in targeted lockdowns in Manitoba was that when the Winnipeg area was under code red and had gathering restrictions, Winnipegers held their weddings in the parts of rural Manitoba that were not under those restrictions.
What didn't work in targeted lockdowns in Manitoba was that when the Winnipeg area was under code red and had gathering restrictions, Winnipegers held their weddings in the parts of rural Manitoba that were not under those restrictions.
That I can understand. The only way this type of stuff works is at the Provincial level. When you have it at the municipal level, then someone will just hop over next door and do what they cant do at home. Might as well have nothing at that point.
By targeted I more mean targeting certain activities and functions that have proven to be high risk vs targeting based on geography.
Several provinces announced they will no longer give out AZ vaccines. There are several reasons for this, mainly health concerns and procurement issues. Lots of Pfizer and Moderna coming
Things I have been reading about the AZ vaccine in the local media the last few days are not good.
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Several provinces announced they will no longer give out AZ vaccines. There are several reasons for this, mainly health concerns and procurement issues. Lots of Pfizer and Moderna coming
Things I have been reading about the AZ vaccine in the local media the last few days are not good.
Good for Canada for speaking up and not hiding it. Even if this creates vaccine hesitancy, telling the truth is always the best outcome. The UK doesn't seem to care about this as they are still mainly using AZ?
Several provinces announced they will no longer give out AZ vaccines. There are several reasons for this, mainly health concerns and procurement issues. Lots of Pfizer and Moderna coming
Things I have been reading about the AZ vaccine in the local media the last few days are not good.
We have no choice. AZ for people 50+ who are not in vulnerable situations. Pfizer has been given to the first group (border staff, aged care residents etc) and will be given to the under 50s later in the year when they can get supplies.
What didn't work in targeted lockdowns in Manitoba was that when the Winnipeg area was under code red and had gathering restrictions, Winnipegers held their weddings in the parts of rural Manitoba that were not under those restrictions.
Weddings in Churchill or The Pas? Sounds romantic. Or Norway House if you prefer an exotic Scandinavian touch.
We have no choice. AZ for people 50+ who are not in vulnerable situations. Pfizer has been given to the first group (border staff, aged care residents etc) and will be given to the under 50s later in the year when they can get supplies.
Had my first AZ yesterday.
Yeah well the problem here is we knew about the risks with the vaccine for a long time. The government reassured us for months that it was safe, that clots were extremely rare and many people, including myself, ran out to get it as soon as possible. Now they seem to be going back on this. To make matters worse several provinces halted use of the vaccine and all over the media they are talking about mixing vaccines which usually means that is what we can expect to happen. We don't even know if that is safe.
They went to great lengths to get the message out for people to take the AZ vaccine, and people did. I will not get a second dose of anything if they tell me I have to mix vaccines. So far the province I live in has said they are sticking to the original plan. I hope it stays that way.
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Yeah well the problem here is we knew about the risks with the vaccine for a long time. The government reassured us for months that it was safe, that clots were extremely rare and many people, including myself, ran out to get it as soon as possible. Now they seem to be going back on this. To make matters worse several provinces halted use of the vaccine and all over the media they are talking about mixing vaccines which usually means that is what we can expect to happen. We don't even know if that is safe.
They went to great lengths to get the message out for people to take the AZ vaccine, and people did. I will not get a second dose of anything if they tell me I have to mix vaccines. So far the province I live in has said they are sticking to the original plan. I hope it stays that way.
I got the AZ vaccine as my firsts shot and so far BC isn't shying away from AZ for second shots.
Reports I read say that the chance of a blood clot on your first shot is one in one hundred thousand and for your second shot one in a million.
Canada has given seven hundred thousand AZ shots, and has had seven people with blood clots, not all died.
ALong with that, there is major talk about mixing vaccines. So basically they are warming the public up to the idea we are going to get something else....Which I refuse to do, if they are going back on what they said about AZ. How can I now trust them about mixing? I really do hope your are able to get your second AZ shot Natnasci. I want mine to.
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What happens when people get two different COVID-19 vaccines?
ALong with that, there is major talk about mixing vaccines. So basically they are warming the public up to the idea we are going to get something else....Which I refuse to do, if they are going back on what they said about AZ. How can I now trust them about mixing? I really do hope your are able to get your second AZ shot Natnasci. I want mine to.
Why are Ontario's stats so different from the UK and even BC?
Could it be demographics?
I still have no issue with getting my second AZ vaccine, since the chances of clotting are even less.
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