Embarrassing to Watch Panthers (Newton, Star: home, cost, vs)

[Big Aristotle]

Originally Posted by NavySeal77

The savior quarterback got his pay day and no longer has a care in the world...

What payday...did he already sign a lucrative extension or am I missing something?

[sickofnewyorkcity]

Originally Posted by cheesecracker

Comparisons:
- Eli Manning is actually a great example.
Though his skills are diminished, you are talking about a two time Super Bowl Champion and a future Hall of Famer. More facts that back up the necessity for a quality O-line.

- Cam is the real deal compared to RG3.
Cam has three good years and one bad one.
He also set records for productivity his rookie year.
RG3 has half of one good year out of three years.

Circumstances:
- Cam currently has a fractured rib and an ankle injury that he sustained in college that never healed.
He had surgery in the offseason to correct it, but the rehab from that surgery is still ongoing, and Cam essentially has that same injury.
Hard to run and scramble when you cannot breath and you can barely walk.

Loss of Players.
- The Panthers #1 and #2 Receivers were let go. One of which is the all time Panthers leading receiver.
The other receiver is leading his new team in reception yards.

- Jordan Gross retired and the O-line is depleted from the previous year.

- Our defense has taken a step backwards and our franchised best defensive player cannot even take the field due to legal trouble.

Current Play:
- Cam is currently performing poorly.
He is over-throwing, not reading defenses well, and too often stares down his #1 option.
This has not always been the case.

- Keep in mind that he has no time to read through his progressions.
The opponents defensive front four is all over him by the time he takes his last step in his drop-back.

- The Offensive Coordinator is not making adjustments to allow Cam to make the best of the circumstances with the O-line and his injuries.

- The Coaching staff limits Cam's freedom to audible and change the play call when needed.

- The receivers don't seem to do a good job of getting separation.

- Winning QBs don't have all of these bad things happening all at one time.
You have to look at what is actually possible and not possible with the talent around you.

Summery:
Cam has the talent.
His QB skills need to improve, but he has shown those skills often when it is crunch time and matters most.
He is having a bad year, but would not be the first QB to have a bad year and go on to great success.
There is also a place for a running QB.
Just look at Steve Young for example.

ok, then how did he have all those rushing TDs his first year if he could barely walk. If the injury from college never healed, he would have had it in his first year. I think you are straining to do some explaining . . . .

[Glmore]

Originally Posted by NavySeal77

The savior quarterback got his pay day and no longer has a care in the world...

Cam Newton is still under his original contract he signed as a rookie. The Panthers hold the option for 2015, which they have said they will exercise, meaning that Cam has one more year under his original deal.

Not sure to what you are referring to.

[sickofnewyorkcity]

Originally Posted by Glmore

Cam Newton is still under his original contract he signed as a rookie. The Panthers hold the option for 2015, which they have said they will exercise, meaning that Cam has one more year under his original deal.

Not sure to what you are referring to.

he is supposed to get the salary of the top 5 players at his position per the rookie wage scale if the panthers offer him another deal. in my opinion, they should pass.

[Plutark Evansby]

Originally Posted by cheesecracker

Comparisons:
- Eli Manning is actually a great example.
Though his skills are diminished, you are talking about a two time Super Bowl Champion and a future Hall of Famer. More facts that back up the necessity for a quality O-line



Current Play:
- Cam is currently performing poorly.
He is over-throwing, not reading defenses well, and too often stares down his #1 option.
This has not always been the case.



- The Coaching staff limits Cam's freedom to audible and change the play call when needed.



Summery:
Cam has the talent.
His QB skills need to improve, but he has shown those skills often when it is crunch time and matters most.
He is having a bad year, but would not be the first QB to have a bad year and go on to great success.
There is also a place for a running QB.
Just look at Steve Young for example.

OK, a few points from the above post....Eli Manning is NOT a HOF QB
Concerning his overthrowing, not reading defenses well and staring down his #1 receiver....Yes, it has always been the case. when he came out of college, Gruden asked him to shout out some plays, he couldnt do it because he basically said he didnt have a playbook....he had one read and if it wasnt there, he would tuck it and run....look at the scouting report, it basically said he was a freak athlete, with good arm strength but lacking accuracy
The coaching staff is right if they are limiting his freedom to change plays....HE CANT READ A DEFENSE!!!
the last point you made is crazy....Vince Young, Cam Newton, RG3 are RUNNING QB's....Steve Young, much like Elway and now Rodgers are NOT running QB's....they are mobile QB's. There is a huge difference between the 2.....When Steve Young won one of his MVP awards i believe he had something like 120 yards rushing....for the year.....that is not a "running QB"

[Plutark Evansby]

Originally Posted by sickofnewyorkcity

he is supposed to get the salary of the top 5 players at his position per the rookie wage scale if the panthers offer him another deal. in my opinion, they should pass.

that is if you are franchised....i believe the Panthers have an option for next year that is not a franchise tag....they would be utterly insane to pay him top 5 money

[Atowwn]

If Cam had his security blanket. They would be fine. I blame the GM. He came in and showed who was boss. Now he has a mess on his hands! He should be ran out of town. Yesterday.

[Plutark Evansby]

Originally Posted by Atowwn

If Cam had his security blanket. They would be fine. I blame the GM. He came in and showed who was boss. Now he has a mess on his hands! He should be ran out of town. Yesterday.

what is Greg Olsen? did you really want to give Smith 8 or 9 mil like he was asking for? Last Year Smith had 64 catches for 745 yds and 4 TDS. So it wasnt like the GM let Calvin Johnson walk. You dont pay top $ for a 37 yr old receiver....I have more of an issue of them letting their entire starting secondary walk

[cheesecracker]

Originally Posted by sickofnewyorkcity

ok, then how did he have all those rushing TDs his first year if he could barely walk. If the injury from college never healed, he would have had it in his first year. I think you are straining to do some explaining . . . .

We are talking about this season, the only bad season out of the four he has played.
The surgery happened this pre-season.
The fractured rib is this pre-season.
The loss of players and circumstances are this season.

Originally Posted by Plutark Evansby

OK, a few points from the above post....Eli Manning is NOT a HOF QB
Concerning his overthrowing, not reading defenses well and staring down his #1 receiver....Yes, it has always been the case. when he came out of college, Gruden asked him to shout out some plays, he couldnt do it because he basically said he didnt have a playbook....he had one read and if it wasnt there, he would tuck it and run....look at the scouting report, it basically said he was a freak athlete, with good arm strength but lacking accuracy
The coaching staff is right if they are limiting his freedom to change plays....HE CANT READ A DEFENSE!!!
the last point you made is crazy....Vince Young, Cam Newton, RG3 are RUNNING QB's....Steve Young, much like Elway and now Rodgers are NOT running QB's....they are mobile QB's. There is a huge difference between the 2.....When Steve Young won one of his MVP awards i believe he had something like 120 yards rushing....for the year.....that is not a "running QB"

College and NFL:
- College playbooks are ammature across the board compared to the NFL for all college teams.
Even teams that run spread offenses and play action/single taleback set-ups only have a handful of plays. It is common to have a minimal number of plays masked by several different formations and flip play calls.

- This s not unique to Auburn University.
Cam played exceptionally well that season, his only season at Auburn.
Heisman Trophy winner, undefeated record, NCAA BCS Championship.
Can't be an idiot and not know how to read defenses, go through progressions, audible at the line of scrimmage, and hit wide receivers in stride and then accomplish all the above.

Vince Young, RG3, Cam Newton.
- This is just not a fair comparison, and foolish to make just because all three can run.
Cam Newton has 4 years of accomplishments and is the current starting QB for his team.

- Vince Young could not stay in the league due to his lack of talent and was a head case.

- RG3 just does not have NFL QB skills and has gone from hero to zero in Washington, and will not even be on an NFL roster next year, unless he signs for the league minimum.
Cam will command a high price for whatever team he ends up with, Panthers or otherwise.

Steve Young / Running vs Mobile:
Well let us just look at the stats:
- 2nd all time rushing Quarter Back with 4239 yards, only behind Randal Cunningham
- All time career rushing touchdowns for a Quarter Back / regular season career.
- All time career rushing touchdowns for a Quarter Back / post season
- All time career rushing yards for a Quarter Back / post season.
- First Quarter Back ever to finish a Super Bowl as the games leader in passing and rushing yards and the Super Bowl MVP that game toboot.

- I am sure there are some more stats regarding rushing and Steve Young, but this more than qualifies Steve Young as a Running Quarter Back, not just a mobile Quarter Back.
The guy had 537 rushing yards in the 1992 season alone and rushed for more than 400 yards in 4 other seasons.
Hardly just mobile.

Cam Newton's first 4 Years / Steve Young's first 4 Years:
Steve Young:
- First two years of Steve Young's pro career were in the USFL.
- Then, a disasterous two years with Tampa Bay as the starting QB with a 3-19 record as a starting QB.
- Young was then traded to San Fransisco to be the back-up QB to Joe Montann for 3-4 years.
- Young at one point was even second on the depth chart behind with Steve Bono, after Montanna had moved on and while Young was healthy.

Cam Newton:
- First modern era player to win the Heisman Trophy, Win a college national championship, and be drafted #1 over-all in the NFL draft in the same one year span.
- First rookie NFL QB to throw for 400 yards in his first game.
- Most passing yards by a NFL QB in debut game.
- First NFL QB to throw for more than 4000 yards in a rookie season.
- First NFL QB to rush for more than 700 yards in a rookie season.
- 14 rushing touchdowns in rookie season. Most ever by any NFL QB, any season.
- Most total yards by a rookie QB.
- Season 1: + 4 wins from previous season
- Season 2: + 1 win from previous season.
- Season 3: + 5 wins from previous season.
- Season 4: To be determined.

Summary:
What we have here is a starting QB in Cam Newton, with a history of winning, setting records, and improving as a QB.
This year, we have a list if injured players, players let go, players who cannot play for various reasons, a depleted O-line, an injured Cam Newton, and an Offensive Coordinator that is not working with Cam's skill and ability.
If the comparison to Steve Young[s first four years in the NFL compared to Cam Newton's is any indicator, the Panthers are in good shape at the QB position.
It is other positions and possibly coaching staff the Panthers need to address.

[tread102]

Originally Posted by Plutark Evansby

what is Greg Olsen? did you really want to give Smith 8 or 9 mil like he was asking for? Last Year Smith had 64 catches for 745 yds and 4 TDS. So it wasnt like the GM let Calvin Johnson walk. You dont pay top $ for a 37 yr old receiver....I have more of an issue of them letting their entire starting secondary walk

you don't know what your talking about. smith was under contract. the panthers paid him a lot of money to go away.