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I looked at the Envision recently because it was the right size, it looks nice, and there's a dealer nearby.
When I got to see it up close inside and out, it appeared cheaply made....plasticy inside and out. I passed.
I'd go with the Mazda if those are the 2 you are comparing. I looked at the Buicks too in that size class, nicer than the GMC Envision, but I'd still go Mazda (even if Buick wasnt building some of its models in China).
The one I'm talking about hasn't hit the market yet. Seems like a refresh, so it's in the TBD field now, but GM and their execution on interior quality leave a lot to be desired.
The one I'm talking about hasn't hit the market yet. Seems like a refresh, so it's in the TBD field now, but GM and their execution on interior quality leave a lot to be desired.
Yeah and that despite the fact that they’ve made good strides. GM leaves some to be desired in that department.
I thought the same way about the Korean warranty's until I read they don't cover as much as one would think. I like some of their SUV's.
The 10-100 is not a bumper to bumper I don't think. Please get the details in writing, and if I'm wrong plz share. I've read some comments from disapointed owners about the warranty coverage not being what they thought it was. It may not be as thorough as it once was.
I don't recall the details, just giving youa heads up.
Kia's is 5ry/60k bumper to bumper. The 10yr/100k is for the powertrain (also 5yr/100k for corrosion). That's still much better than most manufacturers. Worth noting is that Kia's warranty isn't fully transferable. If you buy used and it's not "certified preowned (CPO)", it's dropped to 5yr/60k for the powertrain and bumper to bumper. Not a bad warranty by any stretch, but it'd be nice to have the coverage for that 60-100k range. Many repairs to Kia's infotainment system aren't covered under the bumper to bumper warranty as well which is odd.
My aunt and uncle always drove Buicks, and yes, they were old at the time. I remember their 1959 LeSabre, and later 1965 Riviera, when they would take me to their mountain cabin some weekends. The logo was the 3 overlapping shields, red white and blue as now, but has been "modernized. I don't think the logo makes any difference to buyers, it's the premium cost for a Chevy with a little more upscale trim, just like Pontiac and Oldsmobile.
One UGLY sight !!! I am HONDA for more than 25 yrs..Sorry America, but you sold Us to The World, and there are much better vehicles away from the Crap American builds Now !!!
GM, FORD, CHRYSLER, CADILLAC, CHEVROLET ...All Garbage with warning lights that go off before you even get home on the 1st drive.
One UGLY sight !!! I am HONDA for more than 25 yrs..Sorry America, but you sold Us to The World, and there are much better vehicles away from the Crap American builds Now !!!
GM, FORD, CHRYSLER, CADILLAC, CHEVROLET ...All Garbage
Honda is living off of their former reputation. I'd give them no more consideration than I would a GM vehicle nameplate. I do appreciate their 2.0t engine though. Toyota is still the king of reliability.
I remember the Buick Regal Grand National and GNX models in the late 80's. They were the fastest US production car made in 1987. They were badass, good looking cars. I believe they only came with black paint. Similar to the Olds Cutlass, Chevy Monte Carlo, and I think a Pontiac model as well, but those models did not offer the V6 turbocharged motor. Only Buick offered it. These were not cars for old people. A friend bought one new back then while in his 20's and still has it.
Wow... just wow... kinda exposing yourself a bit, Karen... and then hurling insults to boot... always so telling.
The only "insult" in my post was to say that someone who bought a car based on its EMBLEM was, well, stupid. But since I can't imagine anyone actually DOING that, I didn't insult anyone. I don't know why you took it that way.
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Any branding specialist, professional marketer, graphic designer will tell you the power of the symbolism attached and associated with emblems and logos... There's tons of literature devoted to that.
"From a psychoanalytical perspective, creating brands is linked to understanding how humans communicate and express feelings through symbols. It can be thought of as manipulation, but really, it is a matter of understanding the very basics of human communication and how our minds work to create within us a sense of satisfaction.
Brands must be competitive. The symbols being used to represent the brand must be strong. The associations people make via the symbols is crucial in how they eventually classify their brands and thus, chose to interact or not interact with the brands out there." - Sebastian Guerrini , PhD
Ignorance can be combated. And I'm not saying that in a pejorative manner either.
Um, I work in academia and I've taught courses on advertising (and actually include sections on advertising in a lot of my other classes too -- it's one of my favorite topics). So I understand the power of branding, symbolism, etc. What I was disagreeing with is what seemed to me to be your insistence on blaming Buick's EMBLEM for its woes. That seemed to me to be rather overstated.
I really did not mean to insult you (or anyone), and if I did, I do apologize for that.
Kia's is 5ry/60k bumper to bumper. The 10yr/100k is for the powertrain (also 5yr/100k for corrosion). That's still much better than most manufacturers. Worth noting is that Kia's warranty isn't fully transferable. If you buy used and it's not "certified preowned (CPO)", it's dropped to 5yr/60k for the powertrain and bumper to bumper. Not a bad warranty by any stretch, but it'd be nice to have the coverage for that 60-100k range. Many repairs to Kia's infotainment system aren't covered under the bumper to bumper warranty as well which is odd.
Gimmick warranty to get stupid people to buy a Kia.
GM/Ford go 5 yrs/60K on powertrain (prior to 2016 GM went 5 yrs/100K) I've owned 30-35 vehicles in the last 20 years, ONE had a failure of the powertrain, tranny in a 8 year old GM pickup. $1300 and it was back on the road. I've driven 4-5 well past 100K miles (173K was the longest) and still no powertrain issues. On a well built vehicle, 10 yrs/100K is a joke for warranty because you won't have an issue.
Altitude changes that dramatically. At that elevation you’re getting a LOT less power. You’re a good candidate for one of the turbo engines, they feel the altitude way less.
I’m sitting at something like 500’ ASL. At your height, it’s no wonder your engine is suckin’ wind.
Yes, I agree.
I only spend the winter at this elevation (at a ski resort). In the summer I'm in the Las Vegas area, at an elevation in the mid-2000s. It also is underpowered there.
It’s all up to the board of directors at GM to determine what brand stays and what brand go’s, and right now they are investing allot into Cadillac and Buick so GM has no plans to ditch them. In fact GM is investing $2 billion to make a new electric Cadillac at their Spring Hill assembly plant.
I see the investment in Cadillac, but I don't see the investment in Buick.
Perhaps the plan is the Cadillac brand become EV-centric while Buick brand remains IC-centric.
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I am HONDA for more than 25 yrs..Sorry America, but you sold Us to The World, and there are much better vehicles away from the Crap American builds Now !!!
