02-16-2015, 08:12 AM
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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lenniel
I feel bad for the kids as well, but this is what happens when the adults us the kids as their pawn to financial success, fame, etc or whatever they thought could be achieved by stacking a team against the rules.
Agreed. Using kids to cheat other kids is about as low as it gets. But as I've said I'm not ready to paint the players as total victims here. They are certainly old enough to understand the difference between living in the inner city and living in the burbs.
Not saying they are to blame but I'm also not ready to assume that they are total innocent victims here either. Maybe it was a Danny Almonte story, where he knew but was told to keep quiet by controlling adults. Impossible to say.
02-16-2015, 12:25 PM
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Agreed. Using kids to cheat other kids is about as low as it gets. But as I've said I'm not ready to paint the players as total victims here. They are certainly old enough to understand the difference between living in the inner city and living in the burbs.
I don't hold the kids at fault at all. They're 10-12 year olds, they're supposed to be able to trust adults to tell them the truth.
Even if the player said "But coach, I live in XYZtown which is in an different league district" and the coach/parent says "Yes, I know, but we checked with LL international and the other districts and they said it's legal for you to play on JRW."
Then that's as far as the responsibility goes for the kid. He should be able to trust the adult is telling the truth and looking out for their best interest. Sadly, that's not the case.
The most unfortunate thing though is what these kids are being taught after the adults got caught. This could have been a really valuable life lesson for them. Unfortunately, it's turned into something else.
02-16-2015, 11:23 PM
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Not reading this thread, as I can take an educated guess at most of the comments. This "ruling" is just another notch in the belt of white supremacy. No matter...we all saw who won, and where these kids live doesn't change that. They would've played the same if they lived in Highland Park or Englewood. The whole situation is comical, really. Anyone who says it wasn't racially motivated has his/her head in the sand. But this is America, where racism is a national past time and doesn't exist anymore. I mean, hope and change and all.
These kids did amazing things, got wonderful opportunities and met the first Black president of the USA. This isn't the first time they've tried to erase our history. We'll live with the truth; others will live knowing they were runner up--owned by an all-black team that probably didn't have access to the resources they did. Sucks to be them, knowing we are better. Changing the goal posts doesn't change the truth. The lesson for these boys is this: they will always change the rules in their favor. You can't beat the house even when you beat the house.
Happy Black History Month to all.
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02-16-2015, 11:27 PM
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Can someone explain to me why taking someone 2 miles outside of a boundary is just as bad as let's say...using a corked bat? Out of the tiers of cheating, this is the absolute lowest level. I know rules are rules, but I hate rules that say "Everyone on the team must be from around here." It's not like they were flying kids in from outside the area and paying them.
02-16-2015, 11:46 PM
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So in other words you are claiming that other teams need to be checked further for cheating but have reason what so ever for those other teams to go through the same scrutiny as the Chicago team? Awesome.
Pre-effing-cisely. All teams should be put under such scrutiny, no? Is that not fair? Or is the microscope only reserved for the all-black team that made history? People who are against scrutinizing the other teams IN THE SAME MANNER that JRW was scrutinized are likely afraid of what will result. We don't need to know the facts to have an inkling that this has happened with other teams. Give me a freaking break. I guess white people always follow the rules. The first Black champions could have ONLY won by breaking the rules, right? Right. I refuse to say "cheat". Cheating is using a player who has aged out. Cheating is pumping these kids with steroids. These kids won fair and square. You saw it; I saw it and God saw it. That's all that matters. We'll leave the others to lick their wounds and figure out why their inferiority complex won't allow them to accept black people being good...BETTER, even, at things that are supposed to be "theirs".
02-16-2015, 11:50 PM
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My point was that a lot of black people didn't care whether OJ was innocent or guilty, all they cared is whether he was black.
Wrong. Black people cared that a BLACK PERSON prevailed in a system that is set up for him to fail.
Some of you should find a black friend to teach you these things.
02-17-2015, 12:01 AM
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Every time I hear someone say there are no black racists, I want to projectile vomit.
Racism is about power so no, black people cannot be racist because we do not have the power to oppress white people. Black people can be, and are, prejudice (like ALL people). Huge difference.
Give me an example of black people oppressing white people on a large scale and I will deliver a ton of gold to your house.
Your privilege doesnt allow you to understand. I don't blame you, though. Hard to understand what you never have to experience.
02-17-2015, 12:13 AM
Location: Chicago
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Can someone explain to me why taking someone 2 miles outside of a boundary is just as bad as let's say...using a corked bat? Out of the tiers of cheating, this is the absolute lowest level. I know rules are rules, but I hate rules that say "Everyone on the team must be from around here." It's not like they were flying kids in from outside the area and paying them.
Recruiting outside your boundaries to build a ringer team deprives the leagues you poached from of their top talent and puts the teams you compete with at a disadvantage. You seem sharp enough that it shouldn't have to be explained to you.
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Not reading this thread, as I can take an educated guess at most of the comments. This "ruling" is just another notch in the belt of white supremacy. No matter...we all saw who won, and where these kids live doesn't change that.
Yep, then they got beat by a bunch of little Asian kids.
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They sure did. What's your point?
02-17-2015, 05:48 AM
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Not reading this thread, as I can take an educated guess at most of the comments. This "ruling" is just another notch in the belt of white supremacy. No matter...we all saw who won, and where these kids live doesn't change that. They would've played the same if they lived in Highland Park or Englewood. The whole situation is comical, really. Anyone who says it wasn't racially motivated has his/her head in the sand. But this is America, where racism is a national past time and doesn't exist anymore. I mean, hope and change and all.
These kids did amazing things, got wonderful opportunities and met the first Black president of the USA. This isn't the first time they've tried to erase our history. We'll live with the truth; others will live knowing they were runner up--owned by an all-black team that probably didn't have access to the resources they did. Sucks to be them, knowing we are better. Changing the goal posts doesn't change the truth. The lesson for these boys is this: they will always change the rules in their favor. You can't beat the house even when you beat the house.
Happy Black History Month to all.
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People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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