If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible 'carnage' going on 228 shootings so far and 42 killings up 24% I'll send in the Feds (Detroit: apartment, rental)

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by NealIRC

And there isn't anything for him to do. Let the criminals kill each other, is a faster solution than what the legal system can do.

Most people who are killed, "just got out of prison." Your solution is to keep them in prison longer? That costs more for tax payers.

If they could shoot worth a damn this might be a good argument. But they can't, and tend to hit a lot of unintended targets. They also create an environment of oppression and fear in the neighborhoods they live in and nobody should have to tolerate that. It's time to get behind the good guys and get rid of the bad guys, IMHO.

[prhill]

NealIrc I think you are right

[JacksonPanther]

Originally Posted by BRU67

And to hell with the extra 360 some people killed compared to 2010 right? There's a serious problem in some of these communities that has to be dealt with, unflinchingly. Gun control, social programs, and other policies have not worked.

Where did I express any callousness to the victims?

All I said is that we will not stand for a loss of people's rights, just because the police are confused about how to reduce crime without wholesale abuses of people's rights.

[JacksonPanther]

Originally Posted by personone

But don't NYC and LA (which also has a huge gang culture) both have to deal with the same anti-police sentiment and online/technology problems too??? Those are problems for every major city. Why have the 2 largest cities (that were both at one time more dangerous than Chicago, and LA which has a huge gang culture) able to have better results???

There is no anti police sentiment in this country. There is anti police abuse sentiment. There is anti police as murderer sentiment. There is "police cannot act as judge jury and executioner" sentiment.

[PerseusVeil]

Apparently Johnson needs a kidney transplant.
Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson needs kidney transplant | Chicago Sun-Times

[JacksonPanther]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Gentrification might be one reason. As we know, most of the homicides in Chicago occur in 8 Community areas. If we were to take those out Chicago would have a pretty low homicide rate. Those cities also don't have aggrements with the ACLU to my knowledge which place limitations on street stops that the U.S. Supreme Court did not.

Those other cities didn't have Burge and his band of merry torturers, that the police force not only tolerated but encouraged and condoned. Why are you blaming the ACLU? You ok with torture as a tool of your local police force?

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by JacksonPanther

Those other cities didn't have Burge and his band of merry torturers, that the police force not only tolerated but encouraged and condoned. Why are you blaming the ACLU? You ok with torture as a tool of your local police force?

Burge was 25 years ago. Fast forwarding into the present day, murders spiked in 2016 to disgusting totals not seen in years. Ironically, the ACLU agreement went into effect 1/1/16. I think the correlation needs to be examined. That's what I'm saying.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by JacksonPanther

There is no anti police sentiment in this country. There is anti police abuse sentiment. There is anti police as murderer sentiment. There is "police cannot act as judge jury and executioner" sentiment.

There were 11 police involved killings in 2016, while there were 798 non-police related homicides in 2016. What do you think the bigger priority should be?

[JacksonPanther]

Originally Posted by BRU67

There were 11 police involved killings in 2016, while there were 798 non-police related homicides in 2016. What do you think the bigger priority should be?

Reading comprehension!

My comment was meant to dispute the trope that there's some large amount of anti cop sentiment in the USA. I said nothing about priorities.

[quigboto]

Originally Posted by oakparkdude

I mostly agree. There's not much a mayor can do about these issues either.

Another issue that exists now that didn't exist 10 years ago is the on-line taunting between gangs that rapidly escalates into shootings and retaliatory shootings. One of the lesser acknowledged "advances" of technology.

This is a huge part of the problem, indeed. Social media is also used to locate the whereabouts of one's enemies. One shooting this week, a whole family was having a memorial lunch, and one member of the family who was present was a gangbanger. His rivals shot up the whole family trying to get him. How did they know where to find him? They saw it on Facebook.