If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible 'carnage' going on 228 shootings so far and 42 killings up 24% I'll send in the Feds (tax, costs)

[oakparkdude]

Originally Posted by prhill

oakparkdude What does that have to do with the horrible job the Mayor has done and the crime issue in the South Side? The Mayor has done nothing in over a year now. We need trump to come in and fix it because he seems to care more than our own Mayor!

Police services cost a lot of money. There are a lot fewer cops on the force than before. There are also fewer dollars going into social services that might prevent some of the crime.

[SAAN]

The Feds will do nothing, as you cant just shoot people for being outside. Are the Feds going to enforce a after Dark curfew on the South and West Side of Chicago. The area is too spread out and unless they try to break up any groups of people hanging out on corners, they still would have to see an act of violence to stop it, so they will be right back to doing what the police does daily, can only show up to clean up the crime scene.

[prhill]

If we have no money for cops then why did they just say they hired many more people now too be cops as they are adding to the police force? And that is not a solution anyway so again the mayor is doing nothing which is why crime already is worse this year than last

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by oakparkdude

Police services cost a lot of money. There are a lot fewer cops on the force than before. There are also fewer dollars going into social services that might prevent some of the crime.

Police staffing has gone up and down between 12,000 and 14,000 throughout the years. We were at 12,244 in 2010 and 11,986 in October of last year. So the police ranks are not significantly lower than when Chicago had substantially fewer homicides (437 v. 798).

I think the issue is much more complex than what can be solved by more cops, more social programs, and more gun control. There is an anti-police culture which exists now, which has been fueled by some recent high profile cases. That may be making officers more reluctant to do their jobs aggressively. The City's voluntary agreement with the ACLU to limit street stops, which went into effect in January 2016, may also be a factor. Then of course we have the values and culture of the communities where most of the homicides are happening. As I posted earlier, 8 of the 77 Community Areas account for more than half of the 2016 homicides.

Police Staffing | Chicago Tonight | WTTW

Emanuel's police hiring plan at odds with his record: Ranks shrank by hundreds during his tenure - Chicago Tribune

ACLU, Chicago police agree to changes on controversial street stops - Chicago Tribune

http://heyjackass.com/category/2016-stats/

[oakparkdude]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Police staffing has gone up and down between 12,000 and 14,000 throughout the years. We were at 12,244 in 2010 and 11,986 in October of last year. So the police ranks are not significantly lower than when Chicago had substantially fewer homicides (437 v. 798).

I think the issue is much more complex than what can be solved by more cops, more social programs, and more gun control. There is an anti-police culture which exists now, which has been fueled by some recent high profile cases. That may be making officers more reluctant to do their jobs aggressively. The City's voluntary agreement with the ACLU to limit street stops, which went into effect in January 2016, may also be a factor. Then of course we have the values and culture of the communities where most of the homicides are happening. As I posted earlier, 8 of the 77 Community Areas account for more than half of the 2016 homicides.

Police Staffing | Chicago Tonight | WTTW

Emanuel's police hiring plan at odds with his record: Ranks shrank by hundreds during his tenure - Chicago Tribune

ACLU, Chicago police agree to changes on controversial street stops - Chicago Tribune

http://heyjackass.com/category/2016-stats/

I mostly agree. There's not much a mayor can do about these issues either.

Another issue that exists now that didn't exist 10 years ago is the on-line taunting between gangs that rapidly escalates into shootings and retaliatory shootings. One of the lesser acknowledged "advances" of technology.

[oakparkdude]

Originally Posted by prhill

If we have no money for cops then why did they just say they hired many more people now too be cops as they are adding to the police force? And that is not a solution anyway so again the mayor is doing nothing which is why crime already is worse this year than last

Okay, say someone makes you the Mayor. What would you do, given the financial and legal constraints that exist?

[NealIRC]

Originally Posted by prhill

If we have no money for cops then why did they just say they hired many more people now too be cops as they are adding to the police force? And that is not a solution anyway so again the mayor is doing nothing which is why crime already is worse this year than last

Wait, so the only reason (or biggest) you're against the Chicago mayor is because of crime, or rise of crime?

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2ndly, if there's a water problem, do people blame the mayor, or commissioner of the water department?

If there's corrupt fire fighters, do people blame the mayor, or the superintendent of the fire department?

So when crime is a problem, why do people blame the mayor and not the superintendent of police?

The mayor's job is to hire/fire the superintendent of police, like any other department.

I bet if the Chicago Public Schools suck, should that be more fault of the mayor, or more fault of the superintendent of Chicago Public Schools?

[JacksonPanther]

1. A law enforcement expert from the Fed government already said " you can't arrest your way out of this crime problem." Using the NationalGuard is a nonstarter.

2. There is no anti police movement in this country. There is an anti police abuse movement. There is an anti police murder movement. There is a "police cannot act as judge jury and executioner" movement.

3. If police are pissed off because of #2, then to hell with them.

4. If police feel like they cannot do their jobs without violating the rights of most people in the community, then that is a major problem that needs to be discussed and addressed. Would then fine citizens of the north shore sand for being frisked anytime they left their home?

[prhill]

he is the Mayor if he is not responsible then who the hell is? Are you telling me all these people all across the world who blame the Mayor are wrong too I mean seriously?

[oakparkdude]

Originally Posted by prhill

he is the Mayor if he is not responsible then who the hell is? Are you telling me all these people all across the world who blame the Mayor are wrong too I mean seriously?

He's not a king. He can't snap his fingers and make magic happen. Sure you can blame him and vote him out. His replacement will be hamstrung by the same circumstances. I think Chuy would have been even worse. We'll see who chooses to run against him in 2019.