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Originally Posted by ancient warrior
Mike 555 posted:
>>The prophecies of the Old Testament which have been historically fulfilled attest to the divine authorship of the Bible. <<
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No. There are a number of prophecies never fulfilled by Jesus or any of the other messiah candidate. For example, the Jews have not yet been gathered back ro the land of Israel (Is 43), universal peace hasn't been established (Is 2:4), God didn't become king over the whole world (Zec 14.9), and a messiah has never sat of the throne of Israel.
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There is no such thing as a messiah
candidate. There is but one Messiah, and that is Jesus Christ.
The Jews are partially gathered back in the land in a state of unbelief. They will be fully gathered back into the land in a state of belief when Jesus returns at the end of the Tribulation. I already stated this in the other post. I referred to the prophecies which
have been fulfilled. There remain many more to be fulfilled upon Christs return.
The following prophecy of
Isaiah 61 has both a near term and a long term view. It covers both the first and second advent of Christ, without revealing that the dispensation of the church is to take place between the two comings of Christ.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; 2] To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord, And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all who mourn. 3] To grant those who mourn in Zion, Giving them a garland instead of ashes, The oil of gladness instesd of mourning, The mantle of praise instead of a spirit of fainting. So they will be called oaks of righteousness, The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified. (The prophecy continues on to the end of the chapter)
When Jesus stood up in the synagogue and read from the scroll the
Isaiah 61 prophecy as recorded in
Luke 4:18, He stopped after He read the part about proclaiming the favorable year of the Lord because He had just fulfilled the prophecy up to that point. The rest of the prophecy is to be fulfilled at His return.
Luke 4:18 "THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED, 19] TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.''
The Millennial kingdom is to be established upon the Lord's return and that is when He will reign as King.
To better understand the significance of modern day Israel, refer to an earlier thread of mine, the link to which is immediately below.
//www.city-data.com/forum/chris...rael-back.html
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>>There was no time lag between His resurrection and the beginning of the establishment of those churches<<
Not true. The immediate followers of Jesus remained a sect of orthodox Temple worshipping Jews. Christian churches were only established after the original Jerusalem Christian community was crushed.
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You didn't quote my entire statement. I said the following: There was no time lag between His resurrection and the beginning of the establishment of those churches and the spreading of His message
sufficent for a legend concerning Jesus to develop.
The church age began on the day of Pentecost
(Acts 2:1) 50 days after Jesus' resurrection. The true church - the body of believers who are a new creation
(2 Cor 5:17) consist of both Jews and Gentiles who, having believed in Christ for salvation lose their distinction of Jew and Gentile and are called Church -
Gal 3:28 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is niether male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Now obviously just as a male remains a male and a female remains a female after believing in Christ, so too does a physical Jew remain a physical Jew and a Gentile a Gentile, but the Jew during the Church-age belongs to the body of Christ called church and will inherit the promises that belong to the Church, and will not inherit the promises that belong to Israel. Israel and church are two different peoples.
Regarding the establishment of local churches, places where groups of believers gathered for worship, this began immediately upon the beginning of the church-age and is a subject of the book of Acts.
Legends take at least years to develop. Not 50 days. Had Jesus not been resurrected and seen by many people, including the Apostles, there would have been no spread of Christianity such as occurred.
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>>There were many hundreds of people who saw Jesus after He resurrected.<<
We only have Paul's claim for this and he wasn't a witness to the Resurrection, nor does he name the witnesses. Moveover, Luke claims that Jesus ascended to heaven on the eve of the Resurrection and was only seen by Jesus' immediate disciples.
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Oh, you are one of those who doubt Paul. First, Paul saw the resurrected Christ on the Damascus road. Second, Paul had Peter's full endorsment. 2
Peter 3:15 'And regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16] as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures to thier own destruction.
Paul didn't
have to name the more than 500 witnesses to Christ's resurrection. It was a known fact to the audience to whom Paul was speaking
(1 Cor 15:6) that Jesus had appeared to them. As Paul said, most of those people to whom the resurrected Christ had appeared were still alive at the time he was speaking. Had what he said not been true there were plenty of people who could have disputed what he said.
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>>Only the Bible is the word of God.<<
That's an assumption which you have not evidenced.
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No it's not an assumption. The Bible is the written word of God. And it is the
only written word of God. Apparently you aren't a believer!
As previously said regarding those who wrote those books you mentioned , 'unless they believed in Jesus Christ for salvation before they died, the authors of the Koran, The book of Mormon, the Vedas, the Pali Tripitaka, the I Ching, the Chun Boo Kyung, etc. etc., are in Hades today awaiting their sentencing to the eternal lake of fire.'
Is the Bible truly God's Word?
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