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I realize NOT all Christians believe in this; however, quite a few do. This means that according to this doctrine, humans are guilty (born in sin, hence born "sinners") until proven innocent (via the acceptance of Jesus' death and resurrection). I saw this on another forum and I never really looked at it like that before considering one of our bedrock law principles in that the accused is innocent until proven guilty.
Is this why [some] Christians can be judgmental and arrogant?
I realize NOT all Christians believe in this; however, quite a few do. This means that according to this doctrine, humans are guilty (born in sin, hence born "sinners") until proven innocent (via the acceptance of Jesus' death and resurrection). I saw this on another forum and I never really looked at it like that before considering one of our bedrock law principles in that the accused is innocent until proven guilty.
Is this why [some] Christians can be judgmental and arrogant?
I think it is why some ARE not CAN. :-)
You can see it in very little kids, they try and take toys from other kids etc. We have to teach them not to do that.
I realize NOT all Christians believe in this; however, quite a few do. This means that according to this doctrine, humans are guilty (born in sin, hence born "sinners") until proven innocent (via the acceptance of Jesus' death and resurrection). I saw this on another forum and I never really looked at it like that before considering one of our bedrock law principles in that the accused is innocent until proven guilty.
Is this why [some] Christians can be judgmental and arrogant?
This whole proposition of "original sin" presents a particular quandry. If it is so and we are born in sin...then Jesus was also born in sin since his mother, Mary, would also have been born in sin....hence, Jesus would not be sinless as he is espoused to be.
If we are not born in sin or do not carry "original sin"...then we are not actually sinners unless we transgress the Law (10 commandments)...for it clearly states that sin is the transgression of the Law....since before the Law, sin was not imputed.
Some will say, that we have the propensity to sin...but propensity doesn't mean one actually sins or transgresses the Law....therefore, some can claim to be without sin.
It will be very interesting to see the Christian spin regarding this quandry.
This whole proposition of "original sin" presents a particular quandry. If it is so and we are born in sin...then Jesus was also born in sin since his mother, Mary, would also have been born in sin....hence, Jesus would not be sinless as he is espoused to be.
If we are not born in sin or do not carry "original sin"...then we are not actually sinners unless we transgress the Law (10 commandments)...for it clearly states that sin is the transgression of the Law....since before the Law, sin was not imputed.
Some will say, that we have the propensity to sin...but propensity doesn't mean one actually sins or transgresses the Law....therefore, some can claim to be without sin.
It will be very interesting to see the Christian spin regarding this quandry.
Did you just drop an 'imputed' on us, Christy? LOL...You were DEFINITELY a 24-hour Christian once upon a time.
Did you just drop an 'imputed' on us, Christy? LOL...You were DEFINITELY a 24-hour Christian once upon a time.
Oh yes I was....was being the operative word there. After years of intensive study I now know how deluded I allowed myself to become by the lying spin doctors. When one actually critically and unbiasedly examines the evidence and the lack thereof....it's not a hard decision to begin the deconversion process. If the biblical contradictions and inconsistencies alone don't convince one....the syncretism that can be traced throughout the centuries should.
So, like I said...it will be interesting to see the spin that is placed on the subject of "original sin".
Oh BTW....I also asked this same question in Do "true" Christians sin....the few answers I received there were.....laughable to say the least.
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The way I understand it is that "original sin" may not be part of the material body but it is part of the spirit and soul that absorbs the effects from the parents upon gestation. When the child is born, it will carry with him throughout his life. This doesn't mean it has done any sinning in his material body because he can lead a sinless life yet still be sinful. This would mean that the person would have to rid their soul and spirit of the sinful nature so that it can reflect on the material body and become sinless.
As each generation had the tendencies to have a sinful nature, it has carried thorughout the generations so that no one is sinless.
In the case of Jesus, they way I understand it, is that while he was in the womb, He had the soul longings of our Father and the Fathers Love cleansed His soul of all inclinations so that He could be born without sin. If He had not, and had been born as everyone else, He would not have been able to express God's love for all mankind and would not have been the appointed Messiah. The result is that once one person since Adam and Eve had become sinless with no inclinations to sin, it was made available to all.
The way I understand it is that "original sin" may not be part of the material body but it is part of the spirit and soul that absorbs the effects from the parents upon gestation. When the child is born, it will carry with him throughout his life. This doesn't mean it has done any sinning in his material body because he can lead a sinless life yet still be sinful. This would mean that the person would have to rid their soul and spirit of the sinful nature so that it can reflect on the material body and become sinless.
As each generation had the tendencies to have a sinful nature, it has carried thorughout the generations so that no one is sinless.
In the case of Jesus, they way I understand it, is that while he was in the womb, He had the soul longings of our Father and the Fathers Love cleansed His soul of all inclinations so that He could be born without sin. If He had not, and had been born as everyone else, He would not have been able to express God's love for all mankind and would not have been the appointed Messiah. The result is that once one person since Adam and Eve had become sinless with no inclinations to sin, it was made available to all.
Okee Dokee....thanks for your participation.
Now can we have someone BIBLICALLY support their position.
I didn't realize I was supposed to quote the bible. Apparently, free thought isn't welcome anymore?
Sorry...that was my bad....I should have been more clear about that and profusely apologize for any misunderstandings I might have caused. We love free thought....but we are looking for BIBLICALLY supported answers for this contradictory teaching.
Sorry...that was my bad....I should have been more clear about that and profusely apologize for any misunderstandings I might have caused. We love free thought....but we are looking for BIBLICALLY supported answers for this contradictory teaching.
We're ok. No worries!
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