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With the blood of animals. However, even the blood of animals could not help willful sinners.
Numbers 15
[22] And if ye have erred, and not observed all these commandments, which the LORD hath spoken unto Moses,
[23] Even all that the LORD hath commanded you by the hand of Moses, from the day that the LORD commanded Moses, and henceforward among your generations;
[24] Then it shall be, if ought be committed by ignorance without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one young bullock for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour unto the LORD, with his meat offering, and his drink offering, according to the manner, and one kid of the goats for a sin offering.
[25] And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance:
[26] And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance.
[27] And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.
[28] And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
[29] Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
[30] But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[31] Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
Just like Cain, the punishment of willful sinners will be more than they can bear -- even under grace. The blood of Jesus no longer protects them. People better yield to the Lord to get all that rebellion out of them because there are no side doors into heaven. It's a straight and narrow road.
The text reads "cut off from among his people", not from Christ. That was the penalty of presumptuous sin. "His iniquity" is "upon him". He will suffer the consequences by being "cut off" from his people. Being "cut off" from ones people is the equivalent today (for the Christian) of being excommunicated from ones Church. You lose the benefits and grace associated with being within the Church assembly, partaking of the Lord's supper, prayers, bible study, etc. But you do not lose Christ or the redeeming power of His blood. Jesus said He will never leave us.
1Ki 8:57 Jehovah our God is with us as He has been with our fathers; He shall not forsake us or leave us,
Why is it that ETer's have this habit of perverting the words of Christ with their soiled doctrines? You people need to stop this.
The text reads "cut off from among his people", not from Christ. That was the penalty of presumptuous sin. "His iniquity" is "upon him". He will suffer the consequences by being "cut off" from his people. Being "cut off" from ones people is the equivalent today (for the Christian) of being excommunicated from ones Church. You lose the benefits and grace associated with being within the Church assembly, parting of the Lord's supper, prayers, bible study, etc. But you do not lose Christ or the redeeming power of His blood. Jesus said He will never leave us.
To avoid going off topic per the terms of use, I'll just point the readers to this post about willful sinners.
With the blood of animals. However, even the blood of animals could not help willful sinners.
Numbers 15
[22] And if ye have erred, and not observed all these commandments, which the LORD hath spoken unto Moses,
[23] Even all that the LORD hath commanded you by the hand of Moses, from the day that the LORD commanded Moses, and henceforward among your generations;
[24] Then it shall be, if ought be committed by ignorance without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one young bullock for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour unto the LORD, with his meat offering, and his drink offering, according to the manner, and one kid of the goats for a sin offering.
[25] And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance:
[26] And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance.
[27] And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.
[28] And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
[29] Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
[30] But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[31] Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
Just like Cain, the punishment of willful sinners will be more than they can bear -- even under grace. The blood of Jesus no longer protects them. People better yield to the Lord to get all that rebellion out of them because there are no side doors into heaven. It's a straight and narrow road.
scgraham why do you always seek to put a dampner on the grace of God ?
Whenever anyone lauds the love,grace, forgiveness and mercy of God you appear to do your best job to prevail against it, by exalting sin,the sinner and the wilful sinner.
I have a strong inclination that you live your life under condemnation, because you have never known the real love and grace of God.
Galatians 3:10 says All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, you might well say "well i believe in Jesus and not the law", well if you do why do you always go on about what you believe to be the consequences of the law, rather than what Jesus has done ?. If you are not under grace , you are under a curse.
“But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.” Galatians 4:4-5.
Did God accomplish this ?, is he accomplishing it ?, can he accomplish it ?, will he accomplish it ?, or he can't fully accomplish it ?
---How did God redeem those under the Law ?---
By the way , the answer to the question is , He redeemed us from under the law, by becoming a curse for us.
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. Galatians 3:13-14.
The blood of animals could never take away sin, ignorant sins or otherwise:
The blood of animals was a substitute, or a token, of what was to come through the blood of Jesus. His blood washes away the sins of the obedient, not those of willful sinners. Moreover, according to the Law, God had a harsh penalty for willful sinners, and the shedding of blood was not even commanded to help them -- and that's a token of the way it is under grace. Thankfully, mercy is being granted under grace and forgiveness is only granted to those with godly sorrow. And when people exhibit godly sorrow, they look to Jesus to help them forsake all of their sins. People must live free from sin. Adam and Eve found this to be true after their paradise became a ground of thorns and thistles, their bodies became vile with sickness and death and their son murdered his brother. Yes, they found out that God's Word was true after all.
The blood of animals was a substitute, or a token, of what was to come through the blood of Jesus. His blood washesaway the sins of the obedient, not those of willful sinners. Moreover, according to the Law, God had a harsh penalty for willful sinners, and the shedding of blood was not even commanded to help them -- and that's a token of the way it is under grace. Thankfully, mercy is being granted under grace and forgiveness is only granted to those withgodly sorrow. And when people exhibit godly sorrow, they look to Jesus to help them forsake all of their sins. People must live free from sin. Adam and Eve found this to be true after their paradise became a ground of thorns and thistles, their bodies became vile with sickness and death and their son murdered his brother. Yes, they found out that God's Word was true after all.
Where are the scriptures for the bolded.
It's a legal message you believe in which results in sin and death.
The gift of God is not earnt , by obedience, any form of sorrow or obedience to any command, if it is earnt it is not a gift.
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