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Old 04-06-2011, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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.............how bad eternal hell actually is,then why hang on to the belief,??????........
Umm....Because that is what the Bible teaches?

 
Old 04-06-2011, 02:31 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Mike you really need to listen to what you are saying. If someone is in need of mercy, do you honestly believe when mercy is shown them they will reject it ?

Yes or no will suffice thanks.
God's offer of salvation runs out at the point of physical death. Those who die never having believed in Christ for eternal salvation have refused God's mercy. Their eternal future is unalterably and irrevocably set.

You've been told how it is. Reject it if, and as you surely will.

See posts #3 and 7.
 
Old 04-06-2011, 02:32 PM
 
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how can someone say God will condemn someone forever because of what adam did-this i dont get.
 
Old 04-06-2011, 02:40 PM
 
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God's offer of salvation runs out at the point of physical death. Those who die never having believed in Christ for eternal salvation have refused God's mercy. Their eternal future is unalterably and irrevocably set.

You've been told how it is. Reject it if, and as you surely will.

That was not what i asked you. If you know you were in need of mercy and it was shown you,would you reject it?. Yes or No ? It's a very simple question.

Anybody else who believes God damns a man, care to answer it ?
 
Old 04-06-2011, 02:46 PM
 
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The suffering of those who die never having received Christ as Savior is eternal and it is deserved. The holiness of God is infinite, and therefore any trangression against God is deserving of eternal punishment. But man is not condemned for his personal sins. He is condemned on the basis of one sin only. Adam's original sin is imputed to every person who is born, resulting in condemnation - spiritual death - separation from God. Man's personal sins were never imputed to him for condemnation but were instead imputed to Jesus Christ on the cross where He paid the penalty for those sins, including Adams original sin. Since Jesus was perfect and did not deserve punishment, His substitutionary spiritual death on the cross satisfied the righteous demands of God the Father.

The penalty for sin has been paid and is not the issue in eternal salvation. The only issue is making a volitional decision to respond to the gospel by placing your faith in Christ. If you refuse to accept what Christ did on your behalf then you are by default standing before God on your own merits, on the basis of your own righteousness, and on that basis you stand condemned.

Man's relative righteousness can never measure up to Gods absolute righteousness and God must reject it. As recorded in Revelation 20:11-15, the unbeliever is condemned on the basis of his deeds.

The Bible is the word of God and what it says about the lake of fire is absolute truth.

The lie of Satan, voiced by his unwitting helpers, is that hell is not real. Or that it is only a temporary place of purification. The devil and the rest of the fallen angels know their eternal fate. But so many people who think that they know God while ignoring what He has revealed about Himself and about the future of those who reject His offer of salvation continue in denial.

The majority of mankind is going to spend eternity in hell. And it need not have been that way, because God has provided the means of escape. God gave man volition so that he could accept or reject the offer of salvation. Reject the offer of salvation and you will go to hell forever. It is that simple. And the only opportunity to make that choice is while you are alive on this earth. After that, it is too late.

The question was asked. ''What must I do to be saved?'' Acts 16:30

The answer was given. ''Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved...'' Acts 16:31

The good news: ''For God so loved the world, that He gave His uniquely born Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.'' John 3:16

The good news and the bad news. ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.'' John 3:36

Jesus said, concerning His second coming, ''Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; ... ''And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.'' Matthew 25:41,46

To those who believe what the Word of God says about eternal salvation, on what basis do you justify not believing what the Word of God says about eternal punishment for those who refuse the offer of eternal salvation? You are without excuse!!!
this is such a negative way of thinkin, it contradicts the true nature of the soul which loves not only our freinds but our enemys too,there will be no excuse in beleiving God promotes/enforces ET on the non-beleiver and preaching that the majority of mankind will burn forever,which is an out-dated medi-evil thought system designed to breath fear and terror into the hearts of the people,modern-day christianity is just a sect from the old roman catholic's and this is where this beleif came from,if you need to beleive that God is an entity only to be feared then i feel sorry for you and no-wonder people turn away from christianity,how can you beleive God is good and yet enforces ET.

if even one soul ended up in eternity suffering i beleive that God would do what he could to get that soul out.

punishment and ET are 2 completely different things.
 
Old 04-06-2011, 02:52 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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how can someone say God will condemn someone forever because of what adam did-this i dont get.
I explained it in another of your threads... //www.city-data.com/forum/chris...-eternall.html in posts #82 and 190.

It has to do with the angelic conflict. //www.city-data.com/forum/chris...l-warfare.html
 
Old 04-06-2011, 03:01 PM
 
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Not yet guys.. (see sticky post)

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