The Final ET/UR Showdown (demons, Zen, hell, punishment)
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Originally Posted by rodgertutt From my UR point of view, within the wise counsel of His decretive will, which is that which MUST occur, God does want people to get involved in sinning, otherwise He simply wouldn't let them.
As a UR, I believe that God will eventually fit every individual into His master plan in a positive way that necessitates their unique temporary involvement in evil and suffering that will enable God to manifest, and glorify, and magnify the many facets of His character in a way that uniquely involves that person, and everyone else involved in that person’s life too.
As a UR, I also believe that God has the desire, and the ability, and the determination to save all fallen creatures from everything from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will, and, sooner or later, He will not fail to do so.
And as a theistic fatalist UR, I believe that everyting HAS to happen the way that it does, including all of our attempts to assist, or prevent it from happening.
Since we always, without exception, choose (after due deliberation, or not) what our combined reasonings and feelings convince us is the choice that we prefer the MOST, it is not even possible that we could have chosen any differently than we did choose at that particular point in time.
Theologically that is called God's decretive will, or, that which MUST occur.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
Or Calvinistic Universal Reconciliation...
Yes, I think that is quite a good way to describe what I believe!
God's grace 100%, plus nothing.
Any cooperation is the result, not the cause of God laying hold on us by His sovereign grace and making Jesus "choice" in our heart, just like He did for Lydia, and Saul of Tarsus.
To win your brother over to life,peace and happiness.Like I said if eternal hell is real, I know a Good Shepherd that would go the distance to save all from it.
So, what you are saying is that if a person lives life, peace and happiness that that person will go to heaven....
And what of believing on the only begotten Son?...I seem to remember that being part of it....
Sooner or later everyone will believe on God's only begotten Son and will be saved, just as surely as Lydia, and Saul of Tarsus did when God laid hold on them by His sovereign grace and caused Jesus to be "choice" in their heart.
We know this because "God will have all men to be saved."
It's a matter of God's timing for each individual.
God's grace can temporarily be resisted to teach lessons.
But God's grace can never be defeated.
And what of believing on the only begotten Son?...I seem to remember that being part of it....
Exactly the one who came that we might have life and life more abundantly.
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God's grace can never be defeated
