The Final ET/UR Showdown (Jesus, God, blessings, Savior)
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I believe that all todays translations are more than just correct their sort of protected by Gods desire to be correct . KJV and even the Douay with its extra books are correct (IN the latter case this I believe four books are a good read but nor seen as inspired but the core of scripture remain intact. NIV,Century,Everyday,Life Application,Daily Bible Oxforrd NIV Study Bible,Women of Destiny Bible, New Americans Standard and Gideons to mention a few are all saying the same thing but with perhaps everyday language synominous with the early written word.
I believe that all todays translations are more than just correct their sort of protected by Gods desire to be correct . KJV and even the Douay with its extra books are correct (IN the latter case this I believe four books are a good read but nor seen as inspired but the core of scripture remain intact. NIV,Century,Everyday,Life Application,Daily Bible Oxforrd NIV Study Bible,Women of Destiny Bible, New Americans Standard and Gideons to mention a few are all saying the same thing but with perhaps everyday language synominous with the early written word. Das
Fifteen translations that reveal what God will do with the sinners in Matthew 25:46.
1. Scarlett's New Testament written in 1792 has "aeonian punishment" in place to "everlasting punishment."
"And these will go away into aeonian punishment: but the righteous into aeonian life."
2. The New Covenant by Dr. J.W. Hanson written in 1884 renders Matt. 25:46:
"And these shall go away into aeonian chastisement, and the just into aeonian life."
3. Young's Literal Translation first published in 1898 and reprinted many times since uses the following words:
"And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during."
Professor Young also compiled Young's Concordance, where one can check the translation of each Hebrew or Greek word as translated in the KJV.
4. The Twentieth Century New Testament first printed in the year 1900 has:
"And these last will go away 'into aeonian punishment,' but the righteous 'into aeonian life.'"
5. The Holy Bible in Modern English by Ferrar Fenton first published in 1903 gives the rendering:
"And these He will dismiss into a long correction, but the well-doers to an enduring life.
6. The New Testament in Modern Speech, by Dr. Weymouth, says:
"And these shall go away into punishment of the ages, but the righteous into life of the ages."
Dr. Weymouth most frequently adopts such terms as "life of the ages," "fire of the ages;" and in Rev. 14:6, "The good news of the ages." It is a matter to regret that the editors of the most recent edition of Dr. Weymouth's version have reverted to the KJV renderings for the passages containing the Greek word aion, eon, or age.
7. The Western New Testament published in 1926 renders Matt. 25:46 as follows:
"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into life eternal."
The translation, however, has a footnote on Matthew 21:19 on the word "forever" which is the same word for "eternal" which says: "Literally, for the age.”
8. Clementson's The New Testament (1938) shows,
"And these shall go away into eonian correction, but the righteous into eonian life."
9. Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott (1942 edition) translates the verse,
"And these shall go forth to the aionian cutting-off; but the righteous to aionian life."
It should be noted that the "cutting-off" refers to pruning a fruit tree to make it bear more fruit. The idea behind the word is not destructive but productive! Had Jesus wanted to emphasize a destructive end, He would have used the word "timoria."
10. The Concordant Version (1930):
"And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."
11. The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed printed in 1958 says:
"And these shall go away into agelasting cutting-off and the just into agelasting life."
12. Joseph Bryant Rotherham, in his Emphasized Bible (1959), translates this verse,
"and these shall go away into age-abiding correction, but the righteous into age-abiding life."
13. The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible copyrighted in 1976 has "age-abiding correction" instead of "everlasting punishment."
14. Jonathan Mitchell’s translation (2010) has "And so, these folks will be going off into an eonian pruning (a lopping-off which lasts for an undetermined length of time; an age-lasting correction; a pruning which has its source and character in the Age), yet the fair and just folks who are in right relationship and are in accord with the Way pointed out [go off] into eonian life (life which has it source and character in the Age; life pertaining to the Age)”.
15. Even some King James Study Bibles will show the reader in the margins or appendixes that the King's translators were incorrect in their rendering of "eternal punishment.” The great Companion Bible by Dr. Bullinger is an example of that.
Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."
Also see what other Greek scholars say about it
An Analytical Study of Words Chapter Eleven
While the righteous are enjoying life eonian, the unrighteous will experience kolasis eonian which means age-during corrective chastisement. When the corrective chastisement has been achieved in everyone who needs it, then both life eonian and chastisement eonian will come to an end and eternity will continue with everyone saved from everything from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will.
It says that God wants or desires all men to be saved
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
You just repeat all the same stuff over an over...Something's not right about you...It wasn't an attempt...It was a success...
IMO, there is something not very right about those who believe that God created beings who, without any say in the matter, are destined to suffer forever.
IMO, your attempt at rebuttle was only a success in your own Calvinistic mind-set. You put your own interpretation on what the Bible reveals that God wants.
It says that God wants or desires all men to be saved. I repeat it because I believe it.
Christ was prophesied to take away the sin of the world (Jn. 1:29), so how then can a sinless world suffer everlasting punishment in the lake of fire?! How absurd! Christ is the Saviour of the world (Jn. 4:42; 1Jn. 4:14), and He will save it!"
God will have (wants or desires if you like) all men to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4)
It is God’s “pleasure” that all mankind be saved.
And “God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will” (Ephesians 1:11).
Change it to read “in accord with the counsel of what He wants or desires if you like.
Because God says
"My counsel shall stand. I will do all my pleasure
(the saving of all mankind is part of the pleasure that God wants or desires)
Yea I have spoken it.
I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it.
I will also do it."
Isaiah 46:10,11
Job 23:13 “But he stands alone, and who can oppose Him? He does whatever he pleases.
(the saving of all mankind is part of what He wants or desires that pleases Him).
Isaiah 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
(the saving of all mankind is part of all of which God desires or wants)
So we see God does all His pleasure, He does whatever He pleases, and His word accomplishes that which He desires.
His pleasure, that which He desires and pleases Him is what He wants.
His will = What He wants
What does He want?
THE SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND (it says so in 1Tim. 2:4)
Why will it happen? Because God Himself will see to it that it gets done.
Last edited by rodgertutt; 10-19-2011 at 04:11 AM..
An appropriate snippet from THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – LOYAL F. HURLEY
“Only as one sees God’s Plan of the Ages do they see the beauty of God’s Program for the redemption of the race.
Heb. 11:3 should read, “Through faith we understand that the ages were planned by the Word of God.” The ages will collectively end. A literal translation of Heb. 9:26 is, ‘But now, once for all, with a view to the end of the ages, has He been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.’
Throughout the eons there is sin and evil, condemnation and death. At the end of the eons all will be justified (Rom. 5:18,19), and all will be reconciled through Christ’s blood (Col. 1:20).
An appropriate snippet from GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."
While the righteous are enjoying life eonian, the unrighteous will experience kolasis eonian which means age-during corrective chastisement. When the corrective chastisement has been achieved in everyone who needs it, then both life eonian and chastisement eonian will come to an end and eternity will continue with everyone saved from everything from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will.
An appropriate snippet from SOONER OR LATER GOD ALL IN ALL - ANTHONY J. BORRELLO
“As hostile and objectionable our dear brethren may be, there are answers and explanations for every argument and/or insinuation presented against the undeniable fact, That God indeed is a God ‘Who will have all men to be saved, and come into a knowledge of the truth (1Tim. 2:4). As greatly as man and their religious attempt to fight this utterly dynamic evangel (good news), God shall eventually be All in all (1Cor. 15:28)."
"But God is in no hurry. He has specific eons, and administrations within the eons, to fulfill His universal purpose and intention of universal reconciliation. All came out of Christ, including Adam. Consequently all shall be restored by and through Christ, ‘yet each in his own class’ (1Cor. 15:23)."
When clouds of confusion gather regarding God’s plan for mankind, and despair come showering down upon our studies, turn to God’s word originally rendered, then, like a searchlight in the darkness of night, His love, and His light of understanding will surely beam forth. God will not allow any to be eternally lost. He is a loving Creator, working out His purpose for the universe, Who will get love from all in return, so that He can and will be ‘ALL in all,’ to all, ‘later.’”
Last edited by rodgertutt; 10-19-2011 at 04:01 AM..
Not according to the Word of God. He is trying to draw everyone to repentence. And your message is, "no you cant repent, He's not calling you. Don't listen to him."
The Holy Spirit came, is here now, and is convicting the world of it's sin, right now. He doesn't want anyone to perish. The things you believe really make no sense whatsoever to me and it's the opposite of the teachings of the Messiah.
God is not drawing everyone right now. Go take a look on the street. Are people having their eyes opened like Saul on the road to Damascus? I think not..
God's timing is not your pastor's timing. Religion tells man to get righteous on his own. But without God's hand, no one comes to God. Just as Lazarus was dead, and could not come forth without the voice of Jesus.
Some are hearing His Voice, and coming to Life. Others are not hearing yet. But they will later. It's just not their time. Why? Because God is doing His will, not ours.
God is not drawing everyone right now. Go take a look on the street. Are people having their eyes opened like Saul on the road to Damascus? I think not..
God's timing is not your pastor's timing. Religion tells man to get righteous on his own. But without God's hand, no one comes to God. Just as Lazarus was dead, and could not come forth without the voice of Jesus.
Some are hearing His Voice, and coming to Life. Others are not hearing yet. But they will later. It's just not their time. Why? Because God is doing His will, not ours. Blessings, brian
Here is how J. Preston Eby puts it
A snippet from REDEMPTION IN TWO PARTS - J. Preston Eby
"In his statement to Timothy, Paul gives us the key to the seeming delay in the blessing of the whole race with the life-giving streams of that precious fountain flowing from Immanuel's veins. He says that Christ "gave Himself a ransom for ALL, TO BE TESTIFIED IN DUE TIME." In I Jn. 2:2 the apostle John makes it clear that "Christ is the propitiation (satisfaction) for OUR sins; and NOT FOR OURS ONLY, but also for THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD."
Thus it is plain to all who have eyes to see that the application of the merit of Christ's sacrifice on behalf of sin is to be made in TWO SEPARATE PARTS - first for "ours"; that is, for the members of Christ's own body; and then, later, in due time "for the sins of the whole world."
Surely these are simple words that even a child can understand! I do not hesitate to emphasize the blessed truth that during this Church age the merit of Christ's atonement is being applied only on behalf of the members of Christ's body, the Church, which is the firstfruits of the result of that all-inclusive sacrifice." REDEMPTION IN TWO PARTS - J. Preston Eby Kingdom Bible Studies: J. Preston Eby, Kingdom of God; Saviour of The World
When they finally awoke, they found themselves surrounding the most glorious throne, and light, and flowing from the center was a life more glorious and awesome than ever imagined. The meaning of life was finally explained to them as they fell down before the Lamb. Every creature that exists is, at this time, in complete awe and wonder of the Holy One... forever.
For it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.".
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Literal translations
It says that God wants or desires all men to be saved
