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I believe Adam and Eve trust God in faith and were forgiven of their sin.
Thank you. That's all I was really looking for. So if they were forgiven of their sin, how come we're still being held accountable for it? If the sin was forgiven, then Adam was cleansed and would not be able to pass his guilt along to us. That's the point of this thread.
If you're going to quote Spencer W. Kimball as often as you seem to like to do, it might be nice if you bothered to learn how to spell his name.
I didn't ask you what Mormons believe about whether or not Adam was forgiven. I already know what Mormons believe. I asked what you believe, and as usual, you failed to give me a straight answer.
How's this for a straight answer....
According to the historical Christian understanding of the words and application of:
forgiveness
atonement
heaven
hell
The Christian answer would be:
Forgiveness:
Adam was freely forgiven after he sinned
without cost or obligation
he immediately had the assurance of his forgiveness
he received complete forgiveness for the mere asking
the forgiveness was not being dependent on himself
Christ's Atonement
Jesus paid for the sins of all the world.
This is to mean the spiritual barrier and death that the fall into sin created between human and God.
That barrier which broke the perfection that God demands
What happened to Adam ..
he went to heaven solely because:
Faith alone
God's promise alone
Faith in God's assurance of immediate forgiveness alone
and currenly is in the full presence of God the Father
Thank you. That's all I was really looking for. So if they were forgiven of their sin, how come we're still being held accountable for it? If the sin was forgiven, then Adam was cleansed and would not be able to pass his guilt along to us. That's the point of this thread.
Because they contaminated the creation. There is no such thing as starting out good or nuetral towards God. Sinful contaminated human parents have and conceive contaminated children.
The death that also occured is the spiritual which its that death which damns.
Are you saying that Adam was resurrected from the dead already? I am curious, as I see the same thing per Matt 27, but historic Christianity, although scant throughout its history regarding this, generally disagrees with this idea, as this event is at the end of history, for everyone, from Adam to the last man. Thanks.
Are you saying that Adam was resurrected from the dead already? I am curious, as I see the same thing per Matt 27, but historic Christianity, although scant throughout its history regarding this, generally disagrees with this idea, as this event is at the end of history, for everyone, from Adam to the last man. Thanks.
sciotamicks,
No, I 'm saying that Adam was physically resurrected, but Jesus does reveal that "He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die."
The thing about physical death for the true believer is that when we die physically, it will be actually like waking up to the real world.
I am though at a loss as to the Matt 27 reference you're pointing to. Maybe a dm would be helpful ......
The returning to the soil was the full culmination of "to die shalt thou be dying." Spiritual death is not a process. There is no such critter as "spiritual death" in the bible.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Tis the same word dust in both
Ya some believe there is no such thing as a spiritual death; however the spirit must be saved, which show there is a spiritual death.
Yes it is. There are several renditions..That is another...with the same meaning.
Funny in your post to Kat you say death existed before the fall and when I point it out in dying thou shalt die you disagree with me.
Quote:
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
That pretty much sums it up. Unless you are going to deny the incarnation and bodily resurrection from the dead that Jesus fulfilled for those who will be raised "like" Him and "see" as He sees? Vile body glorified. Phil 3
Sorry but one does not have to die a physical death in order to be resurrected in Christ.
I understand that ... I was pointing out that death in general occur in the creation because of Adam sin. And that is why animals die not because they sinned, but solely to Adam and Eve.
Death (natural) was already in existance before Adam sinned.
Thank you. That's all I was really looking for. So if they were forgiven of their sin, how come we're still being held accountable for it? If the sin was forgiven, then Adam was cleansed and would not be able to pass his guilt along to us. That's the point of this thread.
Hmmmm...this throws a great wrench in the majority of Christianity's long held original sin theology...and I will be looking forward to the biblical gymnastics, that will no doubt occur, in order to answer this.
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