Adam's Sin and Christ's Atonement (incarnation, Mormons, woman, Messiah)

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by trettep

Katzpur, Jesus does atone for Adam's sin by our acceptance of Him. But look around if you can't see Adam's sin then your have to be blind don't you? Does not a baby die? The baby has done nothing but it cannot die unless it has sin. There is no other way to die, less you have sin. So where did the baby get the sin? - from Adam. Read Romans 5.

Huh! do animal sin? do they not die?

[pneuma]

Doomed to die is the most literal translation of the Gen 2:17

No it is not

A literal reading is dying thou shalt die


Adam was already dying a physical death, but once he disobeyed God he died a spiritual death.

Dying for sin has nothing to do with physical death.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I've always thought that Jesus Christ's sacrifice atoned for Adam's sin. From what a lot of people here are saying, it sounds like they disagree with that belief. If Jesus didn't atone for Adam's sin, whose sins did it atone for?

Kat Jesus' death brought reconciliation, His LIFE is what overcomes sin.

[augiedogie]

Pneuma: Where did you get the idea that Adam was already dying physically when he sinned? Can you give a text to back up your statement?

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by trettep

Think about what you said Kazpur, you said babies die because they are sick. That is not the only way babies have died. But let's go with that. Isn't sickness a result of sin? And therefore if they died of sickness then they died because of sin.

Babies don't die because they sin. They sin because they are dying.

"Through one man sin entered into the world and through sin death and thus death passed through into all mankind and for that, all sin." (Rom.5:12).

Adam's sin was died for. God accepted Christ's death for Adam.

Since it is impossible for Adam to make a choice to believe or not, God made the choice for Adam. Since Adam was RANSOMED (1 Timothy 2:4-6) God will save Adam. He will rescue Adam from bondage to sin and death and free him into God's salvation.

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by pneuma

No it is not

A literal reading is dying thou shalt die


Adam was already dying a physical death, but once he disobeyed God he died a spiritual death.

Dying for sin has nothing to do with physical death.

Actually it has everything to do with physical death. God even explained to Adam the meaning of "to die shall you be dying":

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of your face shall you eat your bread, till your
return to the ground, for from it are you taken, for soil you are, and to soil
are you returning.

There is no "spiritual" returning to the soil but a physical returning to the soil. The lengthy process of death operated in Adam till he completely died and returned to the soil.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by Prairieparson

Pneuma: Where did you get the idea that Adam was already dying physically when he sinned? Can you give a text to back up your statement?

7But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The phrase thou shalt surely die in a literal reading is dying thou shalt die.


Which to me indicates Adam was already dying a physical death. Once He disobeyed God sin was imputed unto him and he died spiritually.

The wages of sin is death

This death spoken of here is not a physical death.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

Actually it has everything to do with physical death. God even explained to Adam the meaning of "to die shall you be dying":

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of your face shall you eat your bread, till your
return to the ground, for from it are you taken, for soil you are, and to soil
are you returning.

There is no "spiritual" returning to the soil but a physical returning to the soil. The lengthy process of death operated in Adam till he completely died and returned to the soil.

when it says for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. It is not talking about a physical death.

Adam was created from the DUST outside of the garden, when He disobeyed God God returned him to the dust from which he was taken.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by pneuma

Huh! do animal sin? do they not die?

Physical death of all things came about as a result of Adam and Eve ... not just human.

• God provided "coats of skins, and clothed them" (Genesis 3:21) for A&E immediatly after their wanting to become a god just like him ... those animals died for no fault of their own.

Physical & spiritual death is uniquely confined to the human race. Only humans were given the "breath of life", Adam and Eve forfeited that breath for the breath of the lie of Satan.

From that time on there will be children of the Devil vs the children of God and the world "groans" while it waits to be released from the curse that is upon it ... and that curse is death and the wicked people that tread on it.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

Physical death of all things came about as a result of Adam and Eve ... not just human.

• God provided "coats of skins, and clothed them" (Genesis 3:21) for A&E immediatly after their wanting to become a god just like him ... those animals died for no fault of their own.

Physical & spiritual death is uniquely confined to the human race. Only humans were given the "breath of life", Adam and Eve forfeited that breath for the breath of the lie of Satan.

From that time on there will be children of the Devil vs the children of God and the world "groans" while it waits to be released from the curse that is upon it ... and that curse is death and the wicked people that tread on it.

Twin you seemed to have missed my point, Trep said one cannot die unless one has sin

Animals do not sin yet they die.