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Those of you who believe the law is for Christians to keep today could you provide any scripture where the Law was changed and given to the Gentiles in addition to the nation of Israel? I am not talking about people living in their land but where all of the Gentiles were included under the law.
"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: For ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:26-29.
Paul said to the church at Corinth, to both Jews and Gentiles alike, what God the Father expected of them all concerning obeying the Ten Commandments...
"Is any man called being circumcised a Jew? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision a Gentile? let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the Commandments of God." 1 Corinthians 7:18-19.
The children of the promise, are ONLY those who have received the promise of the Father, the Spirit of Christ (which they only receive AFTER their faith has been tested and proven)...which happens when they are found by the Father to be in obedience to His EVERY Word...which ISthe Ten Commandments...INCLUDING the Fourth one...REMEMBERING the Sabbath and KEEPING it.
"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: For ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:26-29.
Paul said to the church at Corinth, to both Jews and Gentiles alike, what God the Father expected of them all concerning obeying the Ten Commandments...
"Is any man called being circumcised a Jew? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision a Gentile? let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the Commandments of God." 1 Corinthians 7:18-19.
The children of the promise, are ONLY those who have received the promise of the Father, the Spirit of Christ (which they only receive AFTER their faith has been tested and proven)...which happens when they are found by the Father to be in obedience to His EVERY Word...which ISthe Ten Commandments...INCLUDING the Fourth one...REMEMBERING the Sabbath and KEEPING it.
You got that backwards. It is impossible to test the carnal man, he does not have the Spirit. The carnal man is not subject to the law. He has and is already failing. By while were still sinning, Christ died for the ungodly. He does the cleaning up. Abraham received the promise by faith not the law.
Taking the seventh day off to relax and be close to God is a great thing. It's just common sense to take a breath. Whether it is a Saturday or a Sunday sabbath...it matters not...why I don't even brush my teeth on Sunday...and even skip my bath...I don't do any of the usual human things or duties....cos...one day with myself and my buddy God is what it is all about.
Taking the seventh day off to relax and be close to God is a great thing. It's just common sense to take a breath. Whether it is a Saturday or a Sunday sabbath...it matters not...why I don't even brush my teeth on Sunday...and even skip my bath...I don't do any of the usual human things or duties....cos...one day with myself and my buddy God is what it is all about.
As is typical, you were asked to show one instance from the NT where Sabbath-breaking is called out specifically as a sin, and you come up with an OT passage (fail), and one that just generically refers to "commandments."
What you should have said if you were honest is, "I can't... but here's the inference I make:" at which point we can argue it's a bad inference.
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Originally Posted by Verna Perry
You both are as wrong as you could ever be!
There is absolutely Scripture that states: IT IS A SIN NOT TO REMEMBER AND TO KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY. It is the Fourth Commandment, correct ? YES! It is 1/10th of the Law of God, coirrect ? YES!
Therefore ! ...
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4.
...and neither one of you will enter into eternal life if you die in your sin...for sin will not enter into heaven...no way no how.
"Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19.
No, I wasn't wrong. In fact, I was correct in what I said and your follow up post did nothing but confirm it. I don't see the word Sabbath in any of the NT passages you list. All you've done is press the point that when "commandment" is used in the NT it must include keeping the Sabbath, but you don't have an explicit verse to back you up - just a series of inferences.
So at least come clean about that and try to win the argument that your inferences are correct rather than double down and not admit you weren't being precise/accurate in what you claimed.
What do you mean? There's no such animal as an Old Testament Christian or there's no such animal as a Christian who believes in the Old Testament? I thought all Christians believed in the Old Testament, but until this thread came up, I'd never heard of an "Old Testament Christian."
What do you mean? There's no such animal as an Old Testament Christian or there's no such animal as a Christian who believes in the Old Testament? I thought all Christians believed in the Old Testament, but until this thread came up, I'd never heard of an "Old Testament Christian."
The former.
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