Am I the only one who rolls eyes when Old Testament Christians... (Messiah, preach)
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...what Michael The Disciple stated..which I responded to, was the fact that obedience to the Book of The Law...or otherwise called, The Law of Moses...or otherwise called, The Ceremonial Law, has come to an end.
Since this is off the topic of this thread would you be willing to start a new thread and explain from scripture how we can know that the Law of Moses did not include the 10 commandments? I would like to see how you arrive at that. I have never had that explained to me. But have seen many make the same claim.
Since this is off the topic of this thread would you be willing to start a new thread and explain from scripture how we can know that the Law of Moses did not include the 10 commandments? I would like to see how you arrive at that. I have never had that explained to me. But have seen many make the same claim.
There are plenty of posts explaining this...The Ten Commandments and the Book of the Law. The original covenant was the Ten Commandments...not the Mosaic law. The Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark of The Covenant, as a perpetual sign of the covenant between God and those who DO IT...and The Mosaic Law (added to the original covenant (The Ten Commandments) because of Israel's transgressions) was placed outside of the Ark of The Covenant.
When Christ came, he freed His people from the ceremonial elements of the Mosaic law but not from obedience to the Commandments of God.
I roll my eyes when I see Christians who are overly fixated on and do not question the Old Testament. Some of the stuff in their is just plain bad...some of the characters who are glorified are guilty of horrific behavior. As for the Ten Commandments...they are just common sense laws...basic law that maintains some sort of civility.
Christians owe no loyalty to the OT....For some strange reason they married up the OT with the NT. The Old Testament does have some useful stuff but it was completely over shadowed by the sheer power and intelligence of the NT...The teachings of Jesus and what came out of his mouth is what is all important....The OT....is not a good book of instruction...You must glean the wisdom out of this book and toss the garbage aside...The old book is not the pure word of God...the closest you are going to get to the word of God are the words that came from the mouth of the Christ. I believe that the NT could have been trimmed down to one tenth of it's size..
Christianity is a state of mind and was never meant to be a huge and overly complex religion.
There are plenty of posts explaining this...The Ten Commandments and the Book of the Law. The original covenant was the Ten Commandments...not the Mosaic law. The Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark of The Covenant, as a perpetual sign of the covenant between God and those who DO IT...and The Mosaic Law (added to the original covenant (The Ten Commandments) because of Israel's transgressions) was placed outside of the Ark of The Covenant.
When Christ came, he freed His people from the ceremonial elements of the Mosaic law but not from obedience to the Commandments of God.
I could have sworn the 10 commandments were given to the nation of Israel.
EXO 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Now who was in bondage in Egypt? Was that us Gentiles? Or was it Israel?
Chapter 5
1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount saying,
6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Now this is clear that it is the 10 commandments Moses is speaking of and declaring it was given to Israel.
I could have sworn the 10 commandments were given to the nation of Israel.
EXO 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Now who was in bondage in Egypt? Was that us Gentiles? Or was it Israel?
Chapter 5
1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount saying,
6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Now this is clear that it is the 10 commandments Moses is speaking of and declaring it was given to Israel.
You are taking this thread off topic...please do not do that. Go to the threads that discuss this and you will find all the answers to just these questions...go read...!
I could have sworn the 10 commandments were given to the nation of Israel.
EXO 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Now who was in bondage in Egypt? Was that us Gentiles? Or was it Israel?
Chapter 5
1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount saying,
6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Now this is clear that it is the 10 commandments Moses is speaking of and declaring it was given to Israel.
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Originally Posted by Verna Perry
You are taking this thread off topic...please do not do that. Go to the threads that discuss this and you will find all the answers to just these questions...go read...!
Actually, no, WK4J's observation places the thread squarely on topic and basically supports the OP's sentiment behind it. Remember, the thread title is: "Am I the only one who rolls eyes when Old Testament Christians say we have to keep the law of Moses?"
I roll my eyes when I see Christians who are overly fixated on and do not question the Old Testament. Some of the stuff in their is just plain bad...some of the characters who are glorified are guilty of horrific behavior. As for the Ten Commandments...they are just common sense laws...basic law that maintains some sort of civility.
Christians owe no loyalty to the OT....For some strange reason they married up the OT with the NT. The Old Testament does have some useful stuff but it was completely over shadowed by the sheer power and intelligence of the NT...The teachings of Jesus and what came out of his mouth is what is all important....The OT....is not a good book of instruction...You must glean the wisdom out of this book and toss the garbage aside...The old book is not the pure word of God...the closest you are going to get to the word of God are the words that came from the mouth of the Christ. I believe that the NT could have been trimmed down to one tenth of it's size..
Christianity is a state of mind and was never meant to be a huge and overly complex religion.
You sound like you would fit right in with Marcion. (that's not a compliment)
Swing the pendulum a bit too far in the other direction much?
Actually, no, WK4J's observation places the thread squarely on topic and basically supports the OP's sentiment behind it. Remember, the thread title is: "Am I the only one who rolls eyes when Old Testament Christians say we have to keep the law of Moses?"
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Good point. This is right on topic. I forget which thread I am posting to because I see the same thing in all of them from the same people.
You are taking this thread off topic...please do not do that. Go to the threads that discuss this and you will find all the answers to just these questions...go read...!
As was pointed out this is the topic of this thread. So how do you deal with the fact that the 10 commandments (part of the law) was given to Israel alone as we see from scripture?
As was pointed out this is the topic of this thread. So how do you deal with the fact that the 10 commandments (part of the law) was given to Israel alone as we see from scripture?
...oops...you're right about the topic of this thread.
Does Scripture about the wild olive branch (Spiritual Israel) grafted into the Olive Tree (Natural Born Israel) ring a bell ? It's a fantastic read...you should try it out !
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