The phrase 'Forever and Ever' means 'unending', as a simple comparison shows. / The Various Expressions of Eternity. (Israel, Isaac)
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No problem . . . do not marvel at what I said to you . . . you must actually die to be born again. Until then you are only born of God (gennao = begotten/conceived).
Not true. I am and those who testify of the experiance are "born again" in spirit. Your missing something very, very much needed for Eternal Life!!! On the day of Pentecost was when men and woman first began to be born again when the Spirit was given.
Not true. I am and those who testify of the experiance are "born again" in spirit. Your missing something very, very much needed for Eternal Life!!! On the day of Pentecost was when men and woman first began to be born again when the Spirit was given.
No . . . the process of conception of their "embryo Spirit" was begun. They were born of God (conceived) by the Holy Spirit. It grows and develops as we "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't.
No . . . the process of conception of their "embryo Spirit" was begun. They were born of God (conceived) by the Holy Spirit. It grows and develops as we "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't.
Your statement here seems to agree with what I have said but elsewhere you say we are not born again until we die. Your being very contradictory. Which is it? Born again now are when we die?
Speaking of being born again in spirit now Jesus" said, JN 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto you, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and you receive not our witness." Our testamony is that we have been born again in spirit now.
Your statement here seems to agree with what I have said but elsewhere you say we are not born again until we die. Your being very contradictory. Which is it? Born again now are when we die?
Speaking of being born again in spirit now Jesus" said, JN 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto you, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and you receive not our witness." Our testamony is that we have been born again in spirit now.
The phrase "born again" is gennao and it means "begotten/conceived" . . . not actual birth. It is the beginning (conception) of our spiritual "pregnancy." We are reborn as Spirit upon our physical death.
The phrase "born again" is gennao and it means "begotten/conceived" . . . not actual birth. It is the beginning (conception) of our spiritual "pregnancy." We are reborn as Spirit upon our physical death.
No matter how much you ignore post #119, a person is born again the moment he believes on Christ for eternal life.
Your statement is your own personal precept and doctrine. It is not what the Bible teaches.
One of the most enjoyable threads I've read in a long time. These knock-down, drag-outs on eternal torment vs. universal redemption make for terrific reading mainly because nobody wins and nothing ever gets resolved.
Despite Legoman's solid one-two punches in posts #11 and 96 and JerZ's effective weave-and jabs in posts #17 and 97, Mike was able to hold his own against a relentless onslaught of common sense and solid scripture with his own interpretations of the same verses.
And the beat...or rather, fight goes on, ladies and gentlemen.
One of the most enjoyable threads I've read in a long time. These knock-down, drag-outs on eternal torment vs. universal redemption make for terrific reading mainly because nobody wins and nothing ever gets resolved.
Despite Legoman's solid one-two punches in posts #11 and 96 and JerZ's effective weave-and jabs in posts #17 and 97, Mike was able to hold his own against a relentless onslaught of common sense and solid scripture with his own interpretations of the same verses.
And the beat...or rather, fight goes on, ladies and gentlemen.
Mock the truth while you can. The time is coming when you will be forced to face it.
Mock the truth while you can. The time is coming when you will be forced to face it.
Does it occur to you that when you have to resort to threats when others don't agree with your opinion, that the problem might actually be with your opinion and not them?
Does it occur to you that when you have to resort to threats when others don't agree with your opinion, that the problem might actually be with your opinion and not them?
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Originally Posted by thrillobyte
Yeah, I'm sure I'm going to burn in hell for all eternity because I threw a verbal uppercut.
That was no threat. Just a statement of fact. Everyone without exception is going to know the truth. It is telling that you immediately assume that I implied that you are going to the lake of fire. You people accuse those who recognize as true what the Bible says concerning eternal condemnation with being obsessed with the subject. In reality, it is you Universalists who are obsessed with it in your attempt to discredit it.
And by the way, your uppercuts are very puny.
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