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No I do not believe that. There is no such thing as the hell that is taught in the mainstream churches as eternal torment. Our loving Father would NEVER ever create such a place or send anyone to it for ANY reason.
well in that case you must not follow the bible so i wont bother quoting the thousands of verses that say other wise.
well in that case you must not follow the bible so i wont bother quoting the thousands of verses that say other wise.
Moderator cut: deleted I know an enormous amount about the Bible, its origins, its hermeneutics and what was left out and why. I spent over 40 years trying to make sense of it all. If you think you know what the Bible says and have not done as much . . . you flatter yourself.
No I do not believe that. There is no such thing as the hell that is taught in the mainstream churches as eternal torment. Our loving Father would NEVER ever create such a place or send anyone to it for ANY reason.
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Matthew 10:28, Matthew 25:41,46 and Revelation 20:10-15 say otherwise. And I believe the word of God.
No Mike . . . you believe your mentors who had you from a young age and have indoctrinated you to their "precepts and doctrines of men." You DO know that the words uniformly translated as hell in the Bible have many different original words that have been translated as hell including hades . . . which is what is thrown into the lake of fire you claim is hell, btw. Hell being thrown into hell . . . an interesting concept. The concept of hell has been so corrupted and mistranslated as to be utterly useless for any serious Bible scholar to decipher. It definitely does not mean what you and your mentors think it means.
No Mike . . . you believe your mentors who had you from a young age and have indoctrinated you to their "precepts and doctrines of men." You DO know that the words uniformly translated as hell in the Bible have many different original words that have been translated as hell including hades . . . which is what is thrown into the lake of fire you claim is hell, btw. Hell being thrown into hell . . . an interesting concept. The concept of hell has been so corrupted and mistranslated as to be utterly useless for any serious Bible scholar to decipher. It definitely does not mean what you and your mentors think it means.
That whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
If you can use your 40 years of knowledge and help me understand what your definition of perishing is?
He that believeth in the Son hath life everlasting: but he that believeth not the Son shall not see life: but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Nothing compares to those who exalt themselves.
No offense, but do you actually listen to yourself?
I listen to the word of God. I gave you some Scripture which states that there will be numerous people in the Millennium who will rebel against the reign of Jesus Christ. Believe it or don't believe it. Your choice.
The difference young padawan is that I know an enormous amount about the Bible, its origins, its hermeneutics and what was left out and why. I spent over 40 years trying to make sense of it all. If you think you know what the Bible says and have not done as much . . . you flatter yourself.
You like to blow your own horn. But you who deny that the Bible is the word of God, and who denies that God is supernatural, and who believes that the rivers of living water in John 7:38 refer to a persons cerebral spinal fluid, have no credibility.
No Mike . . . you believe your mentors who had you from a young age and have indoctrinated you to their "precepts and doctrines of men." You DO know that the words uniformly translated as hell in the Bible have many different original words that have been translated as hell including hades . . . which is what is thrown into the lake of fire you claim is hell, btw. Hell being thrown into hell . . . an interesting concept. The concept of hell has been so corrupted and mistranslated as to be utterly useless for any serious Bible scholar to decipher. It definitely does not mean what you and your mentors think it means.
The bible speaks of the final abode of the unbeliever as the eternal fire, the lake of fire, the furnace of fire, the outer darkness, Gehenna. That is where the unbeliever will be sent into after he has been resurrected after the end of the Millennium.
I believe the word of God. Such passages as Matthew 10:28, Matthew 25:41,46 and Revelation 20:10-15
And you who deny that God is supernatural, and who believe that the rivers of living water in John 7:38 refer to a persons cerebral spinal fluid, are in no position to be talking about the precepts and doctrines of men.... Doctor!!! And you are no Bible scholar.
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I believe the word of God. Such passages as Matthew 10:28, Matthew 25:41,46 and Revelation 20:10-15
Too bad you do not know what they mean.
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And you who deny that God is supernatural, and who believe that the rivers of living water in John 7:38 refer to a person's cerebral spinal fluid, are in no position to be talking about the precepts and doctrines of men.... Doctor!!! And you are no Bible scholar.
There is no such thing as supernatural. That was created in ignorance to avoid the findings of science that repeatedly undermined the ancient ignorance of our ancestors recorded in scriptures. God is all that there is, period. There is no separate nature. If you know of a more likely source of living water that doesn't involve fantasy or magical thinking . . . please elucidate. I would place my knowledge against your mentors without question, Mike. You have been misled and misguided. They will carry a heavy burden before the Lord.
Too bad you do not know what they mean. There is no such thing as supernatural. That was created in ignorance to avoid the findings of science that repeatedly undermined the ancient ignorance of our ancestors recorded in scriptures. God is all that there is, period. There is no separate nature. If you know of a more likely source of living water that doesn't involve fantasy or magical thinking . . . please elucidate. I would place my knowledge against your mentors without question, Mike. You have been misled and misguided. They will carry a heavy burden before the Lord.
The ignorance is yours Doctor!!! The lake of fire was created for Satan and his angels. But all unbelievers will spend the eternal future there as well.
The fact that you deny that God is supernatural shows that you do not believe in the God who has revealed Himself in the Bible. The rivers of living waters is a reference to the Holy Spirit. Not to a persons cerebral spinal fluid.
God is not His creation. God is supernatural. His creation is natural. You are high on yourself Doctor.
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