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It means that if you are not re-born - born again - born of the spirit - you will not and are not entering the kingdom of God.
It cant be any clearer.
Then why did Nicodemus ask Jesus specifically about it . . . if it is so obvious? Once born in a physical body . . . the only way to be born AGAIN is to DIE and be reborn as Spirit born of God (gennao - begotten/conceived). The process somehow involves an internal "water of life" within our brain and the Holy Spirit within our consciousness.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish (for the coming eons), but have EONIAN life (i.e., life pertaining to the eons).
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish (for the coming ages), but have AGE=DURING life (or life pertaining to the coming ages).
Those who do not believe perish in that they do not get to live for the ages to come but return to the earth from which they come until the Great White Throne. So they can't have perished eternally if they are resurrected again.
If you are just going to repeat yourself . . . I will too.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Then why did Nicodemus ask Jesus specifically about it . . . if it is so obvious? Once born in a physical body . . . the only way to be born AGAIN is to DIE and be reborn as Spirit born of God (gennao - begotten/conceived). The process somehow involves an internal "water of life" within our brain and the Holy Spirit within our consciousness.
Then why did Nicodemus ask Jesus specifically about it . . . if it is so obvious? Once born in a physical body . . . the only way to be born AGAIN is to DIE and be reborn as Spirit born of God (gennao - begotten/conceived). The process somehow involves an internal "water of life" within our brain and the Holy Spirit within our consciousness.
whoa... ok first Nicodemus asked because he didn't know and why he didn't know is because this was brand new.
As for the process, you can believe what you want but I don't know where we are gong with this...
Mystic... do not marvel at what I said to you.... you must be born again.
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Those who do not believe perish in that they do not get to live for the ages to come but return to the earth from which they come until the Great White Throne. So they can't have perished eternally if they are resurrected again.
Only that Jesus said differently, due to that Matthew 25:41-46 along with John 5:28-29 is the truth.
And that truth will become evident when those on the left go to their eternal damnation.
"a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned."
" Then the King will sayto those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world"
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
When you explain it like that how can you deny it being a believer ?. Maybe we just want eternal torment to be true.
Studies have demonstrated that many if not most rabid purveyors of eternal torment harbor a deep-seated resentment, even hatred of a person or persons who have hurt them and thus this belief in eternal torment stems not so much from theological belief as much as it does from a latent desire to see that person or persons tortured for eternity in the worst possible manner i.e. burning without end, more as payment for the hurts committed against that individual than for any sins they committed against God or any disbelief in Jesus as Savior. Had that individual never been hurt by said person or persons he or she would likely be much more receptive to the doctrine of universal redemption.
whoa... ok first Nicodemus asked because he didn't know and why he didn't know is because this was brand new.
As for the process, you can believe what you want but I don't know where we are gong with this...
Mystic... do not marvel at what I said to you.... you must be born again.
No problem . . . do not marvel at what I said to you . . . you must actually die to be born again. Until then you are only born of God (gennao = begotten/conceived).
No problem . . . do not marvel at what I said to you . . . you must actually die to be born again. Until then you are only born of God (gennao = begotten/conceived).
That is not true. A person is born again or regenerated the moment he believes in Christ. At physical birth a person is born spiritually dead. Theologically speaking, being born again or regenerated is being given eternal life. Being born again or born from above, or born of God are the same thing.
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration (paliggenesia; palingenesia) and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
HELPS Word-studies
3824 paliggenesía (from 3825 /pálin, "again" and 1078 /génesis, "birth, beginning") – properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.
3824 /paliggenesía ("renewal, rebirth") is used twice in the NT referring to: a) the re-birth of physical creation at Christ's return (Advent), which inaugurates His millennial kingdom (Mt 19:28; cf. Ro 8:18-25); and b) the re-birth all believers experience at conversion (Tit 3:5). Strong's Greek: 3824.
Your statement that you must actually die to be born again is a part of your own personal precepts and doctrines. They have no basis in reality.
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Then why did Nicodemus ask Jesus specifically about it . . . if it is so obvious? Once born in a physical body . . . the only way to be born AGAIN is to DIE and be reborn as Spirit born of God (gennao - begotten/conceived). The process somehow involves an internal "water of life" within our brain and the Holy Spirit within our consciousness.
And again, those are your precepts and doctrines and are not true.
Last edited by Michael Way; 11-21-2012 at 06:14 AM..
Studies have demonstrated that many if not most rabid purveyors of eternal torment harbor a deep-seated resentment, even hatred of a person or persons who have hurt them and thus this belief in eternal torment stems not so much from theological belief as much as it does from a latent desire to see that person or persons tortured for eternity in the worst possible manner i.e. burning without end, more as payment for the hurts committed against that individual than for any sins they committed against God or any disbelief in Jesus as Savior. Had that individual never been hurt by said person or persons he or she would likely be much more receptive to the doctrine of universal redemption.
The Bible clearly teaches that the lake of fire is real and that the fallen angels and those members of the human race who die without believing on Christ will spend the eternal future in the lake of fire.
Back up your claim about those 'studies.' Don't just make unsubstantiated claims and then expect everyone to accept it as true. Furthermore, the motives of a person have nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the Bible teaches eternal condemnation.
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