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Actually they did not have a hard time seeing it. Many of them knew a messiah was coming, and write it down in the Bible: Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
As for loving your neighbors. Where did this come from : love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.
Hint: Moses, the savage/ignorant ancestor wrote it.
Read the Bible, don't just repeat old www.tentmaker.com talking points.
Who wrote this:
If you come across your enemy’s ox or donkey wandering off, be sure to return it. If you see the donkey of someone who hates you fallen down under its load, do not leave it there; be sure you help them with it.
Yep, you guessed it. It was that savage/ignorant ancestor again. Those savages.....
They knew a promised messiah was coming,yet had no idea of the reason or concept of it, the proof is (like I keep reminding you about things hidden and revealed in scripture), even though they had the scripture, they could not conceive themselves the idea of God being anything like Jesus Christ along with what he taught. To put it bluntly, they had no idea who God is, even though the fullness of God was right in their midst.
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?. We know God who Is through His son Jesus Christ.
I just read both Hebrews chapter 9 and 10 and there is nothing there to show that God needed blood to be shade for his 'anger/wrath' to be appeased. Instead it says:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’”[a]
8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law
Which proves that God infact did not desire blood to be shed, though he allowed it under the law, this i believe was for the Jews to believe that their sins were forgiven.It was for them not for God.
They knew a promised messiah was coming,yet had no idea of the reason or concept of it, the proof is (like I keep reminding you about things hidden and revealed in scripture), even though they had the scripture, they could not conceive themselves the idea of God being anything like Jesus Christ along with what he taught.
Actually, they knew and know in very specific ways what to expect from the messiah. The Bible is quite specific about actions that the messiah will take and what will happen, in very real, concrete terms, around the messiah. Jesus did not fulfill those things.
If you're referring to the wisdom of Jesus' words and the gasps with which other Jews supposedly met same, pretty much all of those "unique" words can be found in the Torah and would definitely not have been met with shock by Jews. They might be debated, as is Jewish tradition, but the entire Pharisees v. Jesus thing based on Jesus' teachings and actions is pretty much a fabrication, once you learn a little about actual Judaism and actual history.
People give so little credit to the Jews' knowledge of their own religion learned and studied from birth onward, it's staggering. The belittling of the Jews' intelligence and of the validity of their own words and own religion should be an embarrassment on all of us.
I just read both Hebrews chapter 9 and 10 and there is nothing there to show that God needed blood to be shade for his 'anger/wrath' to be appeased. Instead it says:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’”[a]
8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law
Which proves that God infact did not desire blood to be shed, though he allowed it under the law, this i believe was for the Jews to believe that their sins were forgiven.It was for them not for God.
So you're cherry-picking which words are of the ancients and perhaps more accurate and which just don't really count?
We were talking about whether or not the OR authors knew Jesus was coming, and the verse I quoted proved that they knew.
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And on this basis, saying you know God better than the other people posting here do?
Where did I make such claim? No where. I am speaking to those who insist the OT people had no clue about who God was, or that they knew Jesus was coming, or that the OT never said "love your neighbor. They knew God, they knew Jesus was coming, and the OT did say 'love your neighbor'. They are wrong in all accounts.
Actually, they knew and know in very specific ways what to expect from the messiah. The Bible is quite specific about actions that the messiah will take and what will happen, in very real, concrete terms, around the messiah. Jesus did not fulfill those things.
If you're referring to the wisdom of Jesus' words and the gasps with which other Jews supposedly met same, pretty much all of those "unique" words can be found in the Torah and would definitely not have been met with shock by Jews. They might be debated, as is Jewish tradition, but the entire Pharisees v. Jesus thing based on Jesus' teachings and actions is pretty much a fabrication, once you learn a little about actual Judaism and actual history.
People give so little credit to the Jews' knowledge of their own religion learned and studied from birth onward, it's staggering. The belittling of the Jews' intelligence and of the validity of their own words and own religion should be an embarrassment on all of us.
Not belittling the Jews at all my friend,and neither do I wish to. I am saying reading scripture does not equate to knowing God.Jesus Christ taught that seeing him(not a man with a beard,but all that he represented), was seeing God( if you have seen me you have seen the Father). Also I was referring to the true nature and character of God made known to us by Jesus Christ, and not how God is reflected in the old covenant scripture.
Not belittling the Jews at all my friend,and neither do I wish to. I am saying reading scripture does not equate to knowing God.Jesus Christ taught that seeing him(not a man with a beard,but all that he represented), was seeing God( if you have seen me you have seen the Father). Also I was referring to the true nature and character of God made known to us by Jesus Christ, and not how God is reflected in the old covenant scripture.
That is also what the Jews sought and continue to seek, their whole lives long, by studying and conversing: to know God as God actually is, not as He is reflected in a spinoff religion.
That is also what the Jews sought and continue to seek, their whole lives long, by studying and conversing: to know God as God actually is, not as He is reflected in a spinoff religion.
Well if that is the case you can find and know him . For Jesus taught to seek after him and you will find him, he also taught that the kingdom of God is within, so I would say seeking him within is a very good place to look.
Spin off religion ?
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