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Old 04-27-2013, 09:22 AM
 
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Priceless. Proving the Bible is not to be trusted, BY QUOTING THE BIBLE.

As I've asked before, which you conveniently have ignored, what makes your visions and opinions any more valid than those earlier writers you call ignorant and superstitious?
Priceless indeed. I keep asking them to tell me few spiritual gems which the "spirit" tells them which cannot be found in the Bible, but they cannot produce a single one.
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:26 AM
 
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What is not mutually exclusive (to me anyway), is what the scriptures actually teach(hidden and revealed) and the understanding of those claim to be 100% bible believers. I believe scripture when understood in the spirit bares witness to THE truth and the truth in reality is what we see in Jesus Christ, trying to understand God in any other way is going up a blind alley.
I just said the spirit helps us understand God. Perhaps you are listening after all. Why don't you reveal these hidden things as opposed to just talking about them.

Let me throw your own argument back at you: You do not agree with me, because the truth has been hidden from you. Better? Now you know what you sound like.

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Old 04-27-2013, 09:32 AM
 
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I obviously agree with you completely, Pleroo . . . just acknowledging the rationale for the other view.
The other view? God of the Old Testament said "love your neighbor". Do you agree with that OT view, or do you find it ignorant and savage?

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Old 04-27-2013, 09:47 AM
 
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Let me add this quickly before I bug out of here to take my son to his baseball game ... Killing is out of harmony with love, and there is no way God could or would violate his own spiritual law, much less would He order others to violate it, knowing the toll it would take on their souls.

Again... aisi.
It is definitely a contradiction for the children of Israel to say they follow the ten commandments and then to turn around and say "God said for us to kill everyone in the land - including women and children". Obviously, there are two voices speaking as God in the Old Testament - simple as that. We must, by the Spirit of Christ, know the difference. A lot of bible believers refuse to do that.
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Old 04-27-2013, 10:17 AM
 
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Only someone who has not read and accepted JESUS' words would suggest He was talking about any other God.

There is a grave warning to those that are twisting God's Word to make it say what you want it to.

JESUS Himself authenticates the Old Testament Scripture as God's Word throughout.

I suggest those that are twisting Scripture to repent immediately. What a dark destiny for those that have decided to be persistent in their rebellion. Use your knowledge of the scripture to serve Jesus and the body of Christ not destroy it.

The spiritual blindness is frightening. God talks about the wicked as an Ox headed to the slaughter. God does not change (Malachi 3:6), but we can change and repent.

If our sins are not covered by the blood of Jesus we are in big trouble.
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Old 04-27-2013, 10:57 AM
 
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The other view? God of the Old Testament said "love your neighbor". Do you agree with that OT view, or do you find it ignorant and savage?
Of cause, and Jesus taught love your enemies too. Do you believe the God of the Old Testament taught the way of God different to what Jesus Christ did ?.
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Old 04-27-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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Of cause, and Jesus taught love your enemies too. Do you believe the God of the Old Testament taught the way of God different to what Jesus Christ did ?.
In some cases, what is written in the Old Testament is a far cry from the voice of Jesus Christ - clearly. Jesus said, 'My sheep hear my voice and another voice they will not follow'. I suppose the goats follow that other voice that speaks of terror and an eye for an eye, etc... There is NO QUESTION but that there is more than one Voice written of in the Old Testament. But God does not change - so people will either A) Acknowledge the truth or B) Continue to lie to themselves or believe a lie
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Old 04-27-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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In some cases, what is written in the Old Testament is a far cry from the voice of Jesus Christ - clearly. Jesus said, 'My sheep hear my voice and another voice they will not follow'. I suppose the goats follow that other voice that speaks of terror and an eye for an eye, etc... There is NO QUESTION but that there is more than one Voice written of in the Old Testament. But God does not change - so people will either A) Acknowledge the truth or B) Continue to lie to themselves or believe a lie
And grace AND "Truth" came by Jesus Christ. In otherwords Truth is made known to us through Jesus Christ.
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Old 04-27-2013, 11:23 AM
 
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Only someone who has not read and accepted JESUS' words would suggest He was talking about any other God.

There is a grave warning to those that are twisting God's Word to make it say what you want it to.

JESUS Himself authenticates the Old Testament Scripture as God's Word throughout.

I suggest those that are twisting Scripture to repent immediately. What a dark destiny for those that have decided to be persistent in their rebellion. Use your knowledge of the scripture to serve Jesus and the body of Christ not destroy it.

The spiritual blindness is frightening. God talks about the wicked as an Ox headed to the slaughter. God does not change (Malachi 3:6), but we can change and repent.

If our sins are not covered by the blood of Jesus we are in big trouble.
The one true God is hidden from them.
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Old 04-27-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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Do you believe the God of the Old Testament taught the way of God different to what Jesus Christ did ?.
That has been your argument, not mine.
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