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Old 04-27-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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I'm here to prove God is not the Godfather you 100% bible believers portray him as..
You are trying to prove OT is a lie, but have failed in your mission, because the truth is not on your side.
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Old 04-27-2013, 02:05 PM
 
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The same way Elijah did, which Jesus Christ THE truth we look to, rebuked his disciples and told them they knew not what spirit they were of for thinking God destroys lives instead of saving them ?.
So, contrary to what you are trying to prove the OT actually is in perfect harmony with the NT.
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Old 04-27-2013, 02:28 PM
 
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You are trying to prove OT is a lie, but have failed in your mission, because the truth is not on your side.
No I am trying to get you to see that what we thought and was God was off base,through the simple fact that we did not know him. Now through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ living within us we know God. Is that so hard for A 100% bible believer to comprehend ?.

The bible is not a history book.
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Old 04-27-2013, 02:33 PM
 
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So, contrary to what you are trying to prove the OT actually is in perfect harmony with the NT.
How ? Jesus Christ taught that we were of the wrong spirit to think that God destroys lives not save them. I also have news for you God as always been THE Savior.
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Old 04-27-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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No I am trying to get you to see that what we thought and was God was off base,through the simple fact that we did not know him. Now through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ living within us we know God. Is that so hard for A 100% bible believer to comprehend ? The bible is not a history book.
Strawman arguments do not improve with repetition.
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Old 04-27-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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How ? Jesus Christ taught that we were of the wrong spirit to think that God destroys lives not save them. I also have news for you God as always been THE Savior.
The OT passage showed how to love your enemy instead of killing them, which is something you deny the OT ever says.
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Old 04-27-2013, 02:40 PM
 
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You are trying to prove OT is a lie, but have failed in your mission, because the truth is not on your side.
Just to stop you misrepresenting my belief and hopefully shut you down once and for all in regards to OT & NT scriptures, I believe them and trust them, I do not and will not accept the understanding of scriptures by those who read them either like a history book, a newspaper or takes almost everything they read in them literally and the big one for me.......... Who Refuse to accept that Jesus Christ is how we know and understand God(not the bible for the bible is not God).
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Old 04-27-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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Just to stop you misrepresenting my belief once and for all in regards to OT & NT scriptures, I believe them and trust them, I do not and will not accept the understanding of scriptures by those who read them either like a history book, a newspaper or takes almost everything they read in them literally and the big one for me..........Who Refuse to accept that Jesus Christ is how we know and understand God(not the bible for the bible is not God).
Again, strawman arguments do not improve with repetition. No one here has refused anything, on the contrary every Christian on this thread has said when they read the Bible they allow the Spirit to guide their understanding. Since the Spirit=Jesus, it is the same say saying they know God through Jesus/Spirit. You need to stop misrepresening other posters views.

You are now saying that you think the OT, the way it is written is a lie. You say you trust it, but only if you are given the liberty to omit / change everything that you do not agree with. For example you reject the passage of destruction of Sodom, which means you believe the story (as it is written) is a lie.
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Old 04-27-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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Just to stop you misrepresenting my belief and hopefully shut you down once and for all in regards to OT & NT scriptures, I believe them and trust them, I do not and will not accept the understanding of scriptures by those who read them either like a history book, a newspaper or takes almost everything they read in them literally and the big one for me.......... Who Refuse to accept that Jesus Christ is how we know and understand God(not the bible for the bible is not God).
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Again, strawman arguments do not improve with repetition. No one here has refused anything, on the contrary every Christian on this thread has said when they read the Bible they allow the Spirit to guide their understanding. Since the Spirit=Jesus, it is the same say saying they know God through Jesus/Spirit. You need to stop misrepresening other posters views.

You are now saying that you think the OT, the way it is written is a lie. You say you trust it, but only if you are given the liberty to omit / change everything that you do not agree with. For example you reject the passage of destruction of Sodom, which means you believe the story (as it is written) is a lie.
The bold is more of your continued misrepresentations, Finn. It is what YOU want to believe pcamps and others are saying so you can misguide others about them. It is NOT what WE disagree with that matters . . . it is what CHRIST disagrees with. Pcamps and others, including me, have repeatedly said the OT the way YOU and others "INTERPRET IT is a misunderstanding Whatever Spirit you think you are following when interpreting the OT . . . it is NOT Jesus Christ. Clearly it is the Jehovah our ignorant savage ancestors believed in . . . which was driven by their barbaric animal natures and fears (read Satan or inner Serpent).
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Old 04-27-2013, 03:16 PM
 
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The bold is more of your continued misrepresentations, Finn. It is what YOU want to believe pcamps and others are saying so you can misguide others about them. It is NOT what WE disagree with that matters . . . it is what CHRIST disagrees with. Pcamps and others, including me, have repeatedly said the OT the way YOU and others "INTERPRET IT is a misunderstanding Whatever Spirit you think you are following when interpreting the OT . . . it is NOT Jesus Christ. Clearly it is the Jehovah our ignorant savage ancestors believed in . . . which was driven by their barbaric animal natures and fears (read Satan or inner Serpent).
If you do not agree with it, why can't you just clarify your view. Why do you always have to accuse people of something?

Do you agree with the OT the way is is written? Yes, or no?

Do you believe this the way it is written: Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land
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