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I'm asking do you ?. I actually believe you do, and that you believe because the bible(which technically to the 100% bible believer is god)said go destroy your enemies, you actually believe the bible over him who whom truth came to us, and part of that truth was love your enemies not destroy them,which to that point they believed God was telling them to destroy their enemies, well the believers believed wrong.
I'm asking do you ?. I actually believe you do, and that you believe because the bible(which technically to the 100% bible believer is god)said go destroy your enemies, you actually believe the bible over him who whom truth came to us, and part of that truth was love your enemies not destroy them,which to that point they believed God was telling them to destroy their enemies, well the believers believed wrong.
Talk about "all or nothing". LOL. I believe God said 'love your neighbor as yourself' in the Old Testament, and I believe the same God said 'love also your enemies' in the New Testament. I also believe that on occasion God instructed Jews to kill their enemies in OT, and the New Testament says He will destroy His enemies again. I also believe God sentenced every person to die, and that included you too, whether you believe it or not. NT God says He appoints rulers and authorizes them to carry a sword to bring terror on the wrongdoers. Does that contradict "love your enemies"? You seem to think so, but the answer is NO, it does not.
"Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord."
Try reading the Bible in context and you will understand it better.
PS. Your suggestion that Christians think Bible is God, is just another personal insult, which I call "the UR love", because such remarks seem to go hand in hand with universalist beliefs.
Talk about "all or nothing". LOL. I believe God said 'love your neighbor as yourself' in the Old Testament, and I believe the same God said 'love also your enemies' in the New Testament. I also believe that on occasion God instructed Jews to kill their enemies in OT, and the New Testament says He will destroy His enemies again. I also believe God sentenced every person to die, and that included you too, whether you believe it or not. NT God says He appoints rulers and authorizes them to carry a sword to bring terror on the wrongdoers. Does that contradict "love your enemies"? You seem to think so, but the answer is NO, it does not.
"Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord."
Try reading the Bible in context and you will understand it better.
PS. Your suggestion that Christians think Bible is God, is just another personal insult, which I call "the UR love", because such remarks seem to go hand in hand with universalist beliefs.
So loving your enemies was introduced by Jesus as a new way of acting towards your enemy, instead of how they acted previously towards them under the direction of God ?. I will stick with ,only a mind alienated(dead) from the thoughts and ways of God, would believe destroying your enemy is inspired by God
So loving your enemies was introduced by Jesus as a new way of acting towards your enemy, instead of how they acted previously towards them under the direction of God ?.
Either you did not read my post, or it went over your head
There is nothing new about it. Both the NT and OT teach the same things, and obviously the NT did not say to not punish the evil (as I already explained)
Either you did not read my post, or it went over your head
There is nothing new about it. Both the NT and OT teach the same things, and obviously the NT did not say to not punish the evil (as I already explained)
Loving your enemies is taught in the Old Testament ?, have you read what the children of Israel did and what they said God told them to do, and what they attributed to God in the old testament lately?.
Loving your enemies is taught in the Old Testament ?, have you read what the children of Israel did and what they said God told them to do, and what they attributed to God in the old testament lately?.
You also did not know the OT said to love your neighbor.
God did not tell Israel to blindly kill everyone who was not a Jew. There were wars, and God helped Israel win the wars, and there were specific reasons for those wars. If Israel did not have a standing army, they would have been wiped out, and then you would blame God for not protecting them. You can't wil with people like you because you will always find an angle to make God look bad.
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You also did not know the OT said to love your neighbor.
God did not tell Israel to blindly kill everyone who was not a Jew. There were wars, and God helped Israel win the wars, and there were specific reasons for those wars. If Israel did not have a standing army, they would have been wiped out, and then you would blame God for not protecting them. You can't wil with people like you because you will always find an angle to make God look bad.
Actually I did know scripture teaches love your neighbor( they were told to)it is right there all the way through it, by God through example demonstrating it and through many examples of Old Testament saints.
Israel needed a standing army ?. Tell this to Elisha
When the servant of the man of God got up and went out early the next morning, an army with horses and chariots had surrounded the city. “Oh no, my lord! What shall we do?” the servant asked.
Don’t be afraid,” the prophet answered. “Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”
And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see.” Then the Lord opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
You also did not know the OT said to love your neighbor.
God did not tell Israel to blindly kill everyone who was not a Jew. There were wars, and God helped Israel win the wars, and there were specific reasons for those wars. If Israel did not have a standing army, they would have been wiped out, and then you would blame God for not protecting them. You can't wil with people like you because you will always find an angle to make God look bad.
I'm here to prove God is not the Godfather you 100% bible believers portray him as.. That God is all that He demonstrated through His son Jesus Christ, that His son is the Truth and you don't actually know any truth unless you find it in His son.
Actually I did know scripture teaches love your neighbor( they were told to)it is right there all the way through it, by God through example demonstrating it and through many examples of Old Testament saints.
Israel needed a standing army ?. Tell this to Elisha
When the servant of the man of God got up and went out early the next morning, an army with horses and chariots had surrounded the city. “Oh no, my lord! What shall we do?” the servant asked.
Don’t be afraid,” the prophet answered. “Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”
And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see.” Then the Lord opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
2 kings 6
Yes, they needed an army.
Tell me, how did Elisha treat the enemy after God gave him the army?
He said: Do not kill them.......Set food and water before them so that they may eat and drink and then go back to their master.”
Tell me, how did Elisha treat the enemy after God gave him the army?
He said: Do not kill them.......Set food and water before them so that they may eat and drink and then go back to their master.”
The same way Elijah did, which Jesus Christ THE truth we look to, rebuked his disciples and told them they knew not what spirit they were of for thinking God destroys lives instead of saving them ?.
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