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And they fool themselves into thinking if they don't have a "war" about the NT.
Have you ever noticed that the names of Jehovah do not portray his nature and character how you 100% bible believers do ?,Come to think it of neither do the the titles given to Jesus.
Once again, the whole problem seems to me to be a serious need for a concrete vehicle of absolute authority. Requiring that the bible have a consistent theology and be without contradiction or error in order to claim that authority causes jumping through some marvelous hoops of logic, where realizing that the authority is the Spirit (as stated in the Bible)as tested by the fruit of the spirit releases from all that futile exercise.
Once again, the whole problem seems to me to be a serious need for a concrete vehicle of absolute authority. Requiring that the bible have a consistent theology and be without contradiction or error in order to claim that authority causes jumping through some marvelous hoops of logic, where realizing that the authority is the Spirit (as stated in the Bible)as tested by the fruit of the spirit releases from all that futile exercise.
The Spirit does not contradict the Bible. The Spirit helps you understand the Bible, so the two go hand in hand as opposed to being mutually exclusive as you seem to suggest.
The Spirit does not contradict the Bible. The Spirit helps you understand the Bible, so the two go hand in hand as opposed to being mutually exclusive as you seem to suggest.
There you go again with the misrepresentation/straw man. Nobody said anything about them being "mutually exclusive". You're projecting your all or nothing mindset onto others. It is you who believe that the Spirit musn't contradict ANYthing in the Bible or else that means the WHOLE thing is worthless. But that's not what is being said by others.
I'm not convinced by the "ignorant ancestors" argument either. The OT abounds with examples of “God†bringing "evil" into people’s lives and into this world.
Not believing that our ancestors were ignorant and superstitious is WHY you think God brings Evil into anyone's lives. As far as they were concerned in their savage mentality . . . God brought everything into their lives. That is why they tried to appease God with blood sacrifices
to try to eliminate the bad things! Christ tried to correct their misunderstanding of God and in their savagery and brutality they scourged and crucified Him for it.
But you see, Pleroo, to that mindset it does become useless because it then is not the absolute authority they require.
Yes, I see... that's why I said he was projecting.
And it's not like I can't understand (and sympathize with) the mindset, having had it myself for so long. But that's also why I speak up against it, because I know from personal experience the danger of it.
The Spirit does not contradict the Bible. The Spirit helps you understand the Bible, so the two go hand in hand as opposed to being mutually exclusive as you seem to suggest.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
There you go again with the misrepresentation/straw man. Nobody said anything about them being "mutually exclusive". You're projecting your all or nothing mindset onto others. It is you who believe that the Spirit musn't contradict ANYthing in the Bible or else that means the WHOLE thing is worthless. But that's not what is being said by others.
We are told to trust the Spirit to lead us to truth . . . but using the Bible to "check" the Spirit is relying on the words "written in ink" to lead us to the truth . . . the exact opposite.
2 Corinthians 3: 2-6 (King James Version)
2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
We are told to trust the Spirit to lead us to truth . . . but using the Bible to "check" the Spirit is relying on the words "written in ink" to lead us to the truth . . . the exact opposite.
2 Corinthians 3: 2-6 (King James Version)
2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Priceless. Proving the Bible is not to be trusted, BY QUOTING THE BIBLE.
As I've asked before, which you conveniently have ignored, what makes your visions and opinions any more valid than those earlier writers you call ignorant and superstitious?
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